Hanging off. Butt, upper body, both?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by andmoon, Sep 28, 2012.

  1. andmoon

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    I see pics of pros doing both. some will hang the butt off and keep their head just to the outside of the tank while others hang the butt off with their upper body/head far outside the tank. Seems to me if moving the cg away from center is the objective then the head should be as far away from the bike as possible. eduficate please.
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  2. High Country Herb

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    I just started doing it that way, and it felt more stable.

    I used to hunch my back, and slide off the seat, like a monkey on the back of the bike. This past weekend, I was kind of experimenting, and kind of just stretching my back. I began leaning forward and into the corner, whith my back as straight as possble and as far from the tank as possible. The bike seemed more planted and stable through the corner, with less wandering from my intended line.

    I think your explanation about getting as much of your mass spread away from the center of gravity sounds plausible. You do want to lean into the corner as far as possible, but a spread out mass gives a larger moment of inertia? I don't know for sure, but it just felt right to me.

    Head up, back straight...

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  3. tunp

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    Above post and pic are a good exmple, the goal is to get at least a butt cheek off and upper body in line which puts your head about where your mirror would be.
    Bending the inside of the corner elbow will allow you to get a little lower and lower your cg a little bit more, but it takes a while to get used to this. Every rider has a style but the basic are the same.
    My style while close to above, is upper body lower, my outside forearm would be on the tank.
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    Kiss the mirror.
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    Google Lee Parks Total Control Advanced Riding Clinic.

    Read the book.

    Take the class.
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  8. shovelstrokeed

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    That pic looks about right to me. I get off as far as I am comfortable. My main focus is to avoid putting any bend in my spine to the sides. I'm old and that hurts, besides the spine really doesn't like it. More or less keep coccyx in line with cervicals. Moves maximum mass with minimum distance.

    Also forward and down, less so on right turns than on lefts as visibility down the road is important too. Looking up into the front of your fairing is not conducive to that.

    Hooking that outside knee on the tank really helps with this. I once heard a very fast guy describe it as letting your opposite knee knock your inside knee off the tank.

    I'm not fast enough anymore to need much of this anyway.
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  10. DC2wheels

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    That is what one of the local track day schools promotes. Crack of your ass on the inside edge of the seat and chin lined up with the edge of the tank, with the inside elbow bent more than the other.

    Also once in that position, the inner thigh of the outside leg is braced up against the back of the tank to absorb much of the braking force- so you are NOT using just your arms to brace against decel forces.
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  11. Al Goodwin

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    If you aint dragging hard parts.....no need to "hang-off"at all.....


    Thank you, now continue......
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    Do you really want / Need to hang off??? theres one or two old riders who didnt but I am sure they were waay too slow one was erm whtsisname now.......... ah yes Mike Hailwood
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  13. PSYCHO II

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    And if you are "dragging hard parts"?:eek1
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  14. tunp

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    So the goal is to learn proper postion, before you get to hard parts. And yes you can maintain good corner speed with out being off as one above has suggested. But also remember back in the day tires and many other componets where the limiting factor, that is really no longer the case. And as these items got better the evolution of trying to use them has created the modern day postion.
    So learning proper postion early helps the curve as you progress in track riding.
    I will say i am not a big fan of hanging off on street, i just move my head and upper body out on the street.
    It is also a continious learning,one i am still trying to refine
    And again by no means am i good but i try.
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  15. jesse v

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    I'm no expert, but I believe hanging off allows you to turn a tighter radius for a given speed/lean angle... OR... The same speed/radius but with less lean angle.

    Less leaning = more compliant suspension, greater margin of safety, etc.
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  16. Al Goodwin

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    And dragging your knee, as the great Ed Bargy would say, makes good pictures, no other reason to do it. HELL, knee pucks aren't free, I would always try and pick my knee up when it touched down.:D

    Really though.....when it comes to body positioning while cornering, do what feels comfortable and a position you can still control the bike....WITH proper reaction time. I always felt more comfortable in left hand turns, being 6'1" and racing an SV650, I felt my throttle hand was in a bad position while leaning/hanging off in right handers....therefore my position on the bike was somewhat different in left hand turns than right handers, I'd stay slid back on the seat more while leaning right.....

    So, get out and ride....stop looking at pictures and trying to mimic their position....when you find your position...you'll know it. It'll feel RIGHT !!!!!!
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  17. Snapper

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    I agree that getting head and whole upper body off on the inside is the proper way to hang-off, but on the street I tend to get my butt off while keeping my upper body and head mostly centered - I just don't like the appearance of fully hanging-off to opposing traffic, esp the occasional LEO. On blind right handers I'll actually cross-up on the bike with my butt off on the right and my head a bit to the left of the tank - I can gain a few additional degrees of view around the blind corner by shifting my head to the left of center.

    I'll get my butt off anytime I'm uncertain (rain, winter cold, blind corner, gravel, unknown road, etc) despite having plenty of ground clearance. You never know when you might have to tight up a line hard to avoid a hazard, or a surprise decreasing radius and I feel that, for potentially slipperly surfaces, the less lean angle you are carrying for any given speed, the less you are asking from your tires.
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  18. Qwik

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    I was taught to Pivot around the Gas Cap. Act like there is a tether from the cap to your belly button. As for dragging the knee, It has saved my butt on a couple occasions where I lost the front and was able to pick it back up because my knee was on the ground. Pucks are cheap and its the best feeling in the whole world on fast track.
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  19. urbanXJ

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    "try to hang off the tank with your leg" worked for me
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  20. cliffy109

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    I'm no expert either, but this is exactly why I do hang off at least a bit on the street. With the bike leaning less, there is a lot more room to correct for errors and unexpected things popping up. I don't ride particularly hard and could easily take corners at my speed without hanging off. I still do it because I want to be ready if things get ugly, quickly. I want the be far away from the edge of my bike's performance capabilities, just in case.
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