Hanoi vespa club: Euro trip: Italia - France - Switzerland - Italia

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  1. lamcaumoi

    lamcaumoi Hanoi Vespa Club

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    Thanks Alicethomas. We plan to ride on next June and will check the pass status in advance.

    Understand that Paris will consume a lot of our time but how to say, this is Paris then we have to ride. J
    We will consider to ride more Swiss passes (Susten-Grimsel/Oberaarsee-Furka or Nufenen) if we can arrange 1 more day between Zurich and Milan. Not much change to climb to the Alps.
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  2. lamcaumoi

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    Note with many thanks to GiorgioXT
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  3. MichaelJ

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    No - B and C are the "New" road over the pass.

    There are actually three roads;
    1. The Autobahn tunnel that runs from Goschenen (just north of Andermatt) to Airolo (in green)

    2. The "New" road over the top that your map shows (in bright yellow) and

    3. La Tremola - an older road (in pale yellow)

    The roads split at the south end of the small lake by the monument and museum at the top of the pass - at the upper left corner of the map below.

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    The St. Gotthard monument. (looking north) It commemorates the first flight over the Alps.

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    Bad video from the top of the pass going down La Tremola in 2011

    Easy - Andermatt. Just about half way, and lots of hotels and restaurants.
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  4. lamcaumoi

    lamcaumoi Hanoi Vespa Club

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    Many thanks to MichaelJ. Look like you live in Alps. I'm reading all of your Alps route to get more reference and experience.

    Rgrds,
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  5. GiorgioXT

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    Downturn is that Switzerland and Andermatt are not cheap, particularly Hotels and Restaurants, a good alternative could be : Zurich - Rapperswil - Bad Ragaz - Landquart - Chur - Lenzerheide - Filisur - Albulapass - Pontresina , Here you could choose to do the Bernina pass (scenic !) and stop in Tirano for sleeping (you will spend half to a third respect swiss) or do the Engadin road (scenic too !) through Silvaplana and Sils Maria , do the Maloja pass and stop in Chiavenna.
    Then to Milan following one or other coast of Como lake, both are nice.
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  6. lamcaumoi

    lamcaumoi Hanoi Vespa Club

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    Dear Adv-Riders,

    Below is our revised route map after consulted with all of you guy here. We are try to find if any truck to carry our scooter from Grenoble (Lyon)-> Paris or Paris -> Basel then we can have 1 more day to stay in Alps (between Zurich - Milan)

    Rgrds,

    Day 1 30-May-14 Fly to Rome
    Day 2 31-May-14 Rome – Genoa by train
    Day 3 1-Jun-14 Genoa: Custom procedure for bike importing
    Day 4 2-Jun-14 Genoa – Cannes: 200 km
    Day 5 3-Jun-14 Cannes - Gap (the Napoleon reoute)
    Day 6 4-Jun-14 Gap - Grenoble
    Day 7 5-Jun-14 Grenoble -Lyon- Beaune: 310km
    Day 8 6-Jun-14 Beaune – Paris: 330 km
    Day 9 7-Jun-14 Paris tour
    Day 10 8-Jun-14 Paris – Nancy: 350km
    Day 11 9-Jun-14 Nancy– Zurich: 320 km
    Day 12 10-Jun-14 Zurich tour
    Day 13 11-Jun-14 Zurich – Milan: 300 km
    Day 14 12-Jun-14 Milan – Mantova: 200 km. Vespa World Day: 12June
    Day 15 13-Jun-14 Mantova: Vespa World Day: 13June
    Day 16 14-Jun-14 Mantova: Vespa World Day: 14June
    Day 17 15-Jun-14 Mantova: Vespa World Day: 15June
    Day 18 16-Jun-14 Mantova – Florence: 200 km
    Day 19 17-Jun-14 Florence - Rome: 300 km
    Day 20 18-Jun-14 Rome tour
    Day 21 19-Jun-14 Rome tour
    Day 22 20-Jun-14 Flyback to Hanoi
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  7. flei

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    This looks like an amazing trip! I hope you post a ride report of it and I hope you enjoy Europe as much as I enjoyed my two weeks in Hanoi and Northern Vietnam! :rofl
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  8. GvG

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    I think your route might be overly ambitious.

    According to this blog your average speed whille driving will be below 35km/h in the Alps.
    These guys did a 1200km rally in 6 days and the writer often arrived at the destination when it was dark. That suggests an average speed of around 20km/h.
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  9. MichaelJ

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    11 riding days and about 3,000 kms. It's do-able, but you will be tired.

    I would really consider not going to Paris. Paris will cost you 4-5 days of your time.

    If you really want to see Paris, I'd do it on another trip and just fly in and out like a "normal" tourist.

    Maybe spend one of those days in Pontedera, Italy and visit the Piaggio factory and museum.

    Whatever you do, have fun, enjoy the trip, take lots of pictures and you owe us a ride report when you get back home. :deal :D
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  10. alicethomas

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    Many consecutive +300km days. 8-12 hours in the saddle, stops or sightseeing not included.
    And the risk of a hold-up (technical problems, accident, wealth) increaes with the size of the group.

    The Paris detour makes the trip arduous.
    Perhaps leave your scooters in your hotel near the Alps and visit Paris by train/metro.
    Even Marseille-Paris takes only 3 hours (from Lyon 2 hours and Dijon 1.5 hours).

    I'd prefer Lucerne (small town in spectacular landscape) to Zurich (capital) and head to Milan/Italy via Grimsel pass. At the nearby Rhone Glacier you can take a short walk to the glacier.
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  11. GvG

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    Are you factoring in that they are using vintage vespa's?

    To me this suggests Vespa's from before the PX, so we're talking 12 bhp and 116km/h for the fastest: the Rally 200 (introduced in the 70's). If they also bring some really vintage smallframes that would be 5,5 bhp and 100km/h for the 125cc version, which is the fastest of the smallframes.

    The OP himself talks about 70km/h as a max speed.
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  12. lamcaumoi

    lamcaumoi Hanoi Vespa Club

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    Thanks Flei. Hope to have chance to drive and drink together. J

    Thanks GvG. We did contact with Sip-Scooter on the trip. This is a 5 days of riding around 2.500 km but their scooter (, PX200 engine with MALOSSI 210cc, SIP Road exhaust) are much power than ours. J
    The detail trip will be flexible. Will try to keep as plan but we can revise depend on the situation.

    Dear MichaelJ,

    On 2012, we rode of the same distance on the same day in our ASEAN trip (Hanoi – Lao – Thailand – Malaysia - Singapore). Try to ride to Paris but depend on the situation, we may leave our bike at Grenoble or Lyon and take the bus to Paris then back. Pontedera is 1 of the plan point when we stop at Florence on the way back to Rome.

    And for sure, will have report on both preparation and during the trip.

    The ASEAN trip (in Vietnammese)
    http://vespafriends.com/showthread....hành-trình-ASEAN-Việt-Lào-Thái-Mã-Sing/page74

    Dear alicethomas,

    Thanks for your advice. We will study and revise the plan.



    Our scooter mostly is PX and 2 modern vespa hired from Italia Piaggio but for the long trip, the speed is only at max 70km/h and everage at 50km/h.

    We are studying the option of hiring a truck to deliver our scooter from Grenoble -> Paris or from Paris -> Basel to have more day of rest, recover and sightseeing.

    Many thanks for your support. Will update our trip and still need your review and comment.

    Lam.
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  13. lamcaumoi

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    Our new plan map

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  14. lamcaumoi

    lamcaumoi Hanoi Vespa Club

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    Just check and found the SNCF service. We may use their train from Lyon -> Paris or Paris -> Strasbourg and it cost around 100€ for 1 single way ticket. Also we are checking if is there any cheaper solution.

    https://www.lerepairedesmotards.com/...train-sncf.php

    Lyon -> Paris and Paris -> Strasbourg, in case we have to choose, please suggest us on which one for riding and other for train.

    Btw, on the we found some clip on Youtube on the Genova - Nice and a lot of tunnel that they must ride through. Could you please have some advice on this one.

    Many thanks,
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  15. alicethomas

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    I don't know the video, but anyway you have to take the S51 street along the coast through all the towns. Not the highway (at least 150cc required). You will be lucky to average 30km/h on this section.
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  16. lamcaumoi

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    Thanks alicethomas, I just saw the google map and SS1 will no longer than the highway A10, both are around 210km from Genova to Nice but take 5 hours for driving. This also mean that will take our vespa at around 8 - 10 hours. Seem that a lot of twist, curve and pass. Fantastic.
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  17. lamcaumoi

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    Dear all,


    I just browed to the SNCF site for ticket booking and found that there is only 1 train per week on Saturday. To avoid the impact to our schedule, we have to change the trip by catching SNCF train in Nice (they have on every Tue, Thur, Sat).


    Lam,
    http://autotrain.voyages-sncf.com/dynam … rol.action

    Day 1 Friday 30-May-14 Hanoi CDG
    Day 2 Saturday 31-May-14 CDG Genoa
    Day 3 Sunday 1-Jun-14 Genoa Custom procedure for bike importing
    Day 4 Monday 2-Jun-14 Genoa Nice 200 km SS1 route
    Day 5 Tuesday 3-Jun-14 Nice Paris SNCF for train, TGV for group
    Day 6 Wednesday 4-Jun-14 Paris Paris tour
    Day 7 Thursday 5-Jun-14 Paris Paris tour
    Day 8 Friday 6-Jun-14 Paris Nancy 350km
    Day 9 Saturday 7-Jun-14 Nancy Zurich 350km Freiburg (Germany)
    Day 10 Sunday 8-Jun-14 Zurich Zurich tour
    Day 11 Monday 9-Jun-14 Zurich Andermatt 150km Apls mountain
    Day 12 Tuesday 10-Jun-14 Andermatt Milan 250km
    Day 13 Wednesday 11-Jun-14 Milan Mantova 200km
    Day 14 Thursday 12-Jun-14 Mantova Vespa World Day: 12June
    Day 15 Friday 13-Jun-14 Mantova Vespa World Day: 13June
    Day 16 Saturday 14-Jun-14 Mantova Vespa World Day: 14June
    Day 17 Sunday 15-Jun-14 Mantova Vespa World Day: 15June
    Day 18 Monday 16-Jun-14 Mantova Florence 200km Vespa museum
    Day 19 Tuesday 17-Jun-14 Florence Rome 300km
    Day 20 Wednesday 18-Jun-14 Rome Rome tour
    Day 21 Thursday 19-Jun-14 Rome Rome tour
    Day 22 Friday 20-Jun-14 Rome Genoa
    Day 23 Saturday 21-Jun-14 Fly back to Hanoi
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  18. lamcaumoi

    lamcaumoi Hanoi Vespa Club

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    Bike shipping take long time then we have to start earlier.

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  19. gseur

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    Hi!
    What god do you want to do in Zürich?
    Lot of traffic jam, no nice roads.
    Better from Nancy go through the Vosges, then two options,
    - direction Lucerne, one off the most visited place in Switzerland
    - or through Emmental, very nice little roads

    Then direction Interlaken and Kandersteg or Grimselpass. Then Simplon pass.
    It's the easier and nicer way. If you want more infos, just tell.
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  20. lamcaumoi

    lamcaumoi Hanoi Vespa Club

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    We are in Zurich already and will ride to Lugano (pass through Andermatt) tomorrow. We did use sygic and try to navigate the route to by pass Autoroute A2 (E35) but could not have any result.

    Do you have any suggestion or we have to use and follow the paper map.

    Thanks,
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