Hard time deciding which adventure bike?

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by ballisticexchris, Sep 30, 2017.

  1. devildogg

    devildogg Been here awhile

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    I hear this over and over in regards to maintenance cost, after 4 Italians and 5 Austrians I never say that extra maint. cost, be cool to see some actual ownership costs (disregarding capitol outlay) no doubt they cost more to buy
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  2. Plane Dr

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    The S10 was my second choice due to $. My intent was to buy new as it will be around for a long time and miles.

    I also have the realization even though I prefer interesting riding 90% is going to be road work. So I wasn’t going to compromise that percent to get interesting.

    Finally I wanted as little maintenance as possible. I’m not in a modding mood these days. I just put 4000 miles on in 12 days. 1500 in 34 hours. Other than the seat it was golden. To be honest I’ve never had any seat good for that.
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  3. PaydayGabe

    PaydayGabe Semi Retired Senior bike junkie

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    I'm kinda in the same boat as several poster's in this thread. Leaning real hard toward the S10.

    I have a line on a low mileage 012 model at dealer A for $7999 and a new 016 60th anniversary model at dealer B for $13.999. I really dig the anniversary paint, but the 012 price is pulling me. Plus it has some farkles. :hmmmmm:confused

    I'm hoping dealer B reduces that price somewhat to move product before the new models come out. Not holding my breath.
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  4. Frosty8

    Frosty8 Been here awhile

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    It seems the S10 is like the DL650 it just doesn't get much respect in the motorcycle media. Maybe if Yamaha and Suzuki bought more advertising.....

    I have a 13 DL650 it works for me the as I am short (29" inseam ) so being 100 pounds lighter and a 32 inch seat height (Sargent lower seat) makes it work for me. And with little off road experience lighter and lower helps.

    But the shaft drive and more low end torque of the S10 are attractive.

    Another minor thing is looking to see how much aftermarket support the motorcycle has and how stable the design is, does the manufacturer make major design changes often, plus a good dealer and parts network can be very helpful.

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  5. THE TENERENATOR

    THE TENERENATOR Adventurer

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    I have a '14 S10 w/out the ES. After getting the suspension sorted, ECU flashed and a new pipe; the maintenance is just oil changes till it needs the valves checked at 23 or 26K. I would take my bike around the world as it is the pinnacle bike to depend on. Comfortable, plenty of power for it's designed purpose, you can load it up like a mule etc. An AT has a bit more off road prowess if needed. Other than these two, any other ADV bike currently available, at any price doesn't interest me.
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  6. Eatmore Mudd

    Eatmore Mudd Mischief on wheels.

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    Super Tenere.
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  7. michaeln

    michaeln What're YOU lookin' at?

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    If I were making your decision for your circumstances, I would go with the S10.
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  8. CatBehemoth

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    Japanese manufacturers are terrible at promotion. Try to get a test ride on S10 or AT and compare it to BMW experience, when they ask you to try the bike.
    Not to be off-topic: I'm making the same choise, and after a lot of consideration I second S10 as a winner, and then AT (maybe just because of pretty unique option of DCT) and DL1000XT.
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  9. Madhouse

    Madhouse Semi-Goodlookin!

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    THIS :thumb
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  10. Solarbronco

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    I'm waiting to see if the Yamaha T-7 gets built and sold in the USA. That fz07 motor is awesome for dirt duty and highway, 50 mpg or more very doable.


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  11. ballisticexchris

    ballisticexchris Long timer

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    The S10 I rode was a bone stock 2013. I was pretty damn impressed. The local dealer had a S10 and Africa Twin side by side. Both are nice in fit/finish. The S10 looking more solid. I also like the fact that the S10 has a separate subframe. And just sitting on each one the ergos while a little different feel comfortable. I would definitely get the standard S10 non ES model. The only reason I would go with the Honda is the DCT option. Not sure how I would like the 21" wheel for long day rides? I already priced parts and they are both comparable. The bummer with the Honda is if you tweak the back of the frame it's over 2000 bucks to replace the whole frame vs under 1000 bucks for S10 subframe.

    A lot of guys just love their BMW's. While they are very popular, I cannot see myself owning one. The GS Adventure I rode was the most strangest handling machine I ever swung a leg over. I could never get used to the torque of the motor pulling it over and the shaft hop in corners. The Tenere Had none of those traits and the motor was much smoother.

    The Ducati was a freeking huge beast!! 8 gallon tank and ergos were really strange.

    I have to be brutally honest with my riding ability as well. I already have a bike that is really good for hard core nasty day rides. I cannot imagine any of these big beasts being good for anything more than a fireroad, easy singletrack, or unimproved jeep trail. When I was in Death Valley a large group of loaded down 600+ lb GS boys were laughing at my little Beta. While not the best bike for DV, I did not have to pick the roads as carefully.

    I wanted to try an Aprilia Caponord Rally. Very few dealers and hard bike to find.

    The other thing to consider is reliability. I don't see many S10's in the service bays at the dealers. Just knowing my personality, I'll be spooning on Big Block style tires. I'm not looking to get a "poser bike". I'll be using it for super long day rides and overnighters. My Beta is ok, but after 300 miles I'm worn out and hands are numb.

    I even got my Iron Butt on this bike:

    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/doing-the-iba-on-a-dirt-bike.1019315/#post-25395520

    As I get older I'm looking looking for reliability, function and comfort. Right now I'm leaning toward a S10 or AT DCT. Not to mention I have A few dealers to choose from if I decide to buy new. BTW, I'm a solid run of the mill "C" rider.

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    Please keep this thread going guys. I really value others opinions even if we don't agree. I'm hoping to pull the trigger in 2018-2019. I'm the type of guy that saves for his bikes and pays cash. I saved over 3 years for my Beta!! Right now I only have the Beta for all my "plated" rides. I also have a KTM 300 for offroad only.
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  12. michaeln

    michaeln What're YOU lookin' at?

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    If you are thinking of an AT, please read the numerous problem threads first. The forks will be especially important to you given your intended use.
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  13. steve68steve

    steve68steve Long timer

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    Another vote for the S10 from an S10 rider.

    If you want to save some $$ and don't mind a chain, I'd look hard at the VStroms. I've owned a gen2 650 and a gen1 1000. Honestly, when they announced the gen2 1000, if it had shaft drive I would've pre-ordered it sight unseen. Both were big mile munchers.

    I'm done with chain drive, and done with 650's as road bikes, tho, so it's between the GS, S10, and TEX. If the VFR1200 was available in the USA at the time, it would have been a strong contender, but I think the S10 would have edged it out for ergos and build quality.

    What a great problem to have!
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  14. nk14zp

    nk14zp Been here awhile

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    KTM950 Adventure checks all the boxes for me.
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  15. ex_MGB

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    I've got the AT DCT. It is too heavy and the S10 ES is yet another 50 lbs. If it were the other way around with the S10 DCT being 50 lbs heavier than a manual AT, it would be a different story, but it's not. I have zero desire for shaft drive, tubeless tires, electronic suspension, manual transmission or cruise control. Four hours per day in the saddle is all I'm looking for.

    With my 30" inseam, the AT with the OEM lower seat is just barely low enough to my taste. I want both feet firmly down, close at least to flat foot and not on tip toes.

    Any bike works under speed, it's the stops and goes and tight corners maneuvering one encounters in town and heck, just in the garage, where added weight just wears on you. I would imagine on trails this is just as true if not more so. I'd think a novice on a AT DCT on the trails would be more comfortable than on a manual S10.

    Both the S10 and AT have great deals on four year extended warranties. So, for 5 years you are covered for defects with either. Even if both bikes had the same purchase price, I'd buy the AT DCT after having demoed the S10 twice.
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  16. PaydayGabe

    PaydayGabe Semi Retired Senior bike junkie

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    +1 , I agree. I've been waiting for news w/ bated breath also, but I have a sneaky feeling it aint gonna happen :fpalm. Sure hope I'm wrong!
    I'm not in the position to purchase at the moment, so maybe good news will prevail and I can drop the hammer. At any rate, going to a Demo days event on the 13th and will try to ride an S10 and maybe a Fj09.:clap
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  17. ballisticexchris

    ballisticexchris Long timer

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    The T7 sounds cool but not for me. I already have a mid size enduro. I'm looking for a real touring machine that can be taken offroad.
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  18. Brokebrute

    Brokebrute Been here awhile

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    Of the bikes I have ridden my 2 favorites are the Africa Twin and Triumph Tiger 800 XCX. I have owned a V Strom 1000 nice road bike didn't care for how it handled on gravel took it off road once wasn't comfortable with it. I have ridden both BMW 1200 and 800 GSA's and don't care for either of them.

    The Africa Twin sits very similar to my Tiger with 2" Rox Risers. The Twin has more torque and is better balanced off road than the Tiger. The Tiger handles a little better on the pavement and has a very broad power rage. The Tiger also has cruise control and better wind management options, Mad Stad windshield makes it great for long distances.
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  19. Dao1

    Dao1 Been here awhile

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    whatever bike you get, it'll all work out. don't keep drilling down for the perfect ADV...it don't exist.

    Then come to TX & hook up w/ us sometimes...
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  20. jaxcalgary

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    100% agree, I started off drooling over the new AT and was bound and determined it was going to be my new bike. Then found a great deal on a new 2014 Vstrom 1000 (6k less than the AT) and was ready to drop the cash on it. Then on the way home from work I stopped in at a Yamaha dealer and saw a 2016 50th anniversary edition S10 that was on sale. The S10 was the first ADV bike I remember seeing back in the early 90's, this one had to be mine. A couple of days later it was, even though it was 4k more than the Vstrom. Is it a perfect bike, nope, none are, but it is mine and I love its capabilities. You will end up adding enough aftermarket crap to make it yours anyway. Just get out there and look, test when you can and trust your gut.

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