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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by theshnizzle, Jul 6, 2013.
I have had tons of advice from others. One day at a park, a good spot to pee and check nature out on a good alpha road in WI, a HD rider comes over and we talk.
He rides a lot and tipped me off to some really good roads I would not have known otherwise. His bike had almost 100k miles on it.
Good talk. Good guy.
So, I always talk with people. I might not agree but I might just learn something.
You never know...
When people tell me about their loud pipes i like asking them how much of a discount they get on their insurance for their loud pipes. I mean certainly if you get a discount for ABS, imagine how much you must save be having a life saving device on your bike!! For some reason it always leads to blank stares or them mumbling something.
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Where did you get that?
Loud pipes just piss off other driver and riders. I wont my bike to sound nice but not so loud it can be heard about a mile away.
Quote changed to reflect the BMW reality!
I don't get the loud pipes either, and I ride an Electra Glide, with stock pipes. The only thing I changed on the EGlide was the windshield, so I look over it. Instead of spending $5,000 on pipes, jets, chrome and skulls, I bought a 2001 BMW 1150 GS. Both great bikes, for me.
As far as tips from Harley riders, they can be as right or wrong as riders of any other manufacturer.
The stock pipes on a modern Harley sound like an old VW. Instead of potato potato you get chirp cheep chirp cheep
There are better sounding pipes that aren't loud. Then there are really fricking loud pipes.
I've spent a lot on making my bikes my own and that includes adjusting the sound on the HD.
It's not loud, it is louder than stock though.
For the record, I ride mine; a lot...
Reading this thread just before changing the rear tire yesterday, I almost put my stock pipes on. But I remembered the chirpy sound it made. Then my neighbor fired up his Z06 and drove away louder than any bike I've ever owned. It sounds great! I put the V&H back on.
We aren't all asshats and frankly I've met more asses on GS's than on HD's. Good thing I own both to keep my asshat quota in check!
Riding behind a bike with loud pipes spoils my ride.
Back pressure is always a detriment. The real need for pipes of a certain length is the sound pressure wave propagation. Pipes that are too short (or headers too short on a multi-cylinder engine into a collector) does not run the best. Here's more:
"As the exhaust valve opens, the relatively high cylinder pressure (70 90 psi), initiates exhaust blowdown and a large pressure wave travels down the exhaust pipe.....As the exhaust pressure wave arrives at the end of the exhaust pipe, part of the wave is reflected back towards the cylinder as a negative pressure (or vacuum) wave. This negative wave, if timed properly to arrive at the cylinder during the overlap period can help scavenge the residual exhaust gases in the cylinder and also can initiate the flow of intake charge into the cylinder. Since the pressure waves travel at near the speed of sound, the timing of the negative wave can be controlled by the primary pipe length for a particular rpm.....the trick to proper exhaust tuning is to tune an exhaust system is produce a negative wave of the proper strength timed to occur at cylinder overlap."
"stock pipes on a modern Harley sound like an old VW"
You must be doing it wrong. I hear you about the asshats on GS's though, Oh well, .
Contact the fine folks at DualSportTouring, pretty sure they have that one and lots of other good ones.
Finally an honest answer. Most bikers will not admit that they do it because they think it makes them cool so they made up the safety aspect.
EB I-20 Service Road between Park Springs & Kelly Elliot? APD loves to hang out there & catch speeders. I got nailed in my kid's Mini there shortly after I bought it. I could hear the rice rockets and cruisers both from my house a mile south of there. Personally I prefer the stealth mode of my stock Wee exhaust. I can get away with more if they don't know I'm there...
Since BMW sells 3% of the market and HD 70%, you sound a bit biased, to say the least. Odds are there are more HD asshats than BMW asshats on numbers alone! But that's OK, lots of people show their bias and ignorance!
A bike is a bike. I have had many positive interactions with Harley riders. It was interesting to speak with this person because that was their veiwpoint from thier experience.
What I do object to are riders who believe various " enhancements" to their bikes make them better riders,not actual riding skills. They are a danger to themselves, their passengers and others who share the road with them.
Now I am off to the basement to rant about a cruiser rider from yesterday......
Wow, so what you are saying is that with just 3% of the market, the bmw guys are overachievers
I have no bias, i'd own one of everything if I had the money. I don't ride to impress and I rarely ride with anyone else. I like to talk and admire bikes the same as anyone else... Wait till I get my pennies saved for a Ducati; then I'll have all the bases covered for strongly opinionated people.
I'm saying that is what YOU are saying. If all the BMW people you meet are asshats, and all the HD people you meet are not, then you are biased!
You're the only one that said ALL. So now whose blindly biased?
haha, ya... not all, not most, just some.
Most, MOST, of the people I meet anywhere on/in any vehicle are nice people.
What I am saying is that when I meet that person with attitude or a bike snob or the general "i'm better than you because..." they aren't all HD riders and in fact I see that much more often from my BMW brethren than any others.
It's probably because I'm overweight, middle aged and don't have a stitch. I mostly ride SOTGMOTT and my leather is Harley branded because it is quality and fits me well.
I'm just trying to say that not all of us on Harleys are:
2. unable to ride well
3. don't ride further than the bar
4. Loud bike having, throttle blipping, road boulder riding, etc...
Some of us just love bikes (like most on this site) and contrary to popular opinion on ADV, Harleys are great bikes.
Anyhow, enough about me.
Jim, I didn't mean to rile you up. Apologies if you felt I was targeting you. Remember, I have 2 BMW's and only 1 Harley so it's not as if I have an agenda.
I just strongly dislike sweeping statements! Nearly always they are false at best! I am just as apt to defend HD riders as I am BMW riders, and though I am generally known as a BMW guy, that is a preference not a bias!