Has anybody done one of These yet?

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  1. JustKip

    JustKip Long timer

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    To those who have built multiple variations of subframes, how doable does this look?

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    The "adventure" and glamor or 4.5 inches of suspension travel isn't as much fun as it sounds ;)
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  2. brstar

    brstar Been here awhile

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    I only had a close look at one of these recently.
    21 inch front 19 inch? or was that 18inch rear?
    Lace the rear onto the front and an auto size rim to the rear.
    I think they have a steel frame? Useful.
    Modified tripple trees? If there is room, lose the plastic if not?
    Those USD forks look strong though have read they can be problematic? Not sure about that.
    Lots of ground clearance, auto if you prefer, a busness like engine thats compact.
    Haven't been a Honda fan but this looked really neat.
    18k ish here down under but soon there be second handies.
    Get one after the farkling has depreciated?
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  3. Carl Childers

    Carl Childers Ghost in the Machine

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    A good pair can transform a bike, I put a pair of USD Showa RMX 250 forks on my DR650 along with an Ohlin's grade rear shock it is a whole nother bike, there isn't any terrain it can't tackle now. The one down side to USD's I see is that when you get a seal leak they lose all their oil quickly, they don't slowly weep like a standard fork. A little fiddly to set up but once you got it.....WOW!
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  4. Strong Bad

    Strong Bad Former World's Foremost Authority

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    The VFR1200X could be a good choice also. Not sure if shaft drive is a good thing or not. I suppose how the shaft drive bike is geared from the factory would be a deciding factor.

    The VFR1200X uses a 19" front 17" rear, the AT uses a 21" front, 18" rear.

    USD forks tend to be laterally stiffer than conventional, but I would put a LL on either one of these bikes and not worry about front wheels or trail.
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  5. jaydmc

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    We have not done one yet but I see no problem doing one. Of course we would need the bike to work off of. Many people will buy a bike local to us, have us pick it up and install the sidecar.
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  6. Eddieb

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    Someone in Australia is doing one

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  7. phyllis

    phyllis just another dummy

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    Beat me to the punch! Yes, that's my outfit, above, and my CB1300, now almost retired.

    Well, where to begin?
    I examined an Africa Twin before they were released for sale in OZ lat year, thanks to Brendan J , and he gave me a ride of his when it arrived shortly thereafter.
    I was VERY impressed!
    Fast forward to February this year, I traded my three year old NC 750 SA for the Plain Jane (silver) model at a good price.
    The AT is a bit like a beefed up NC, with a better feeling of torque, something the NC lacks.
    We've got it easy over here in OZ, as the exhaust on the AT is all on the right, thus leaving plenty of room on the left hand side for a subframe.
    The work went well and with a borrowed Ural chair, was on the road in about a month.
    I've ordered a new Ural, just the sidecar, but it won't be here till late May, so thanks to Tony Barber for the loan of his chair, I'm on the road already!

    So......... what's it like???

    In spite of six gears, it's a bit high geared in first, even though I've increased the tooth count on the rear sprocket by two to forty four.

    It's not bad on fuel, being better than my CB1300/Chang Jiang, at similar speeds.
    I must mention that I've been spoiled by the CB1300, magnificent engine, leading links on the front, the AT will have a lot to live up to!!!

    I've already started on some leading links, as my arms and shoulders are suffering at the moment, 113mm. of trail may not sound like a lot, but I'm feeling every one of them!

    It's got good mid range punch, a good gearbox and the rear shock is not too soft, as I feared it would be.

    All in all, it compares favourably with the last couple of BMW R1150G's that I've put Urals on for customers.

    I'm hoping the Scotoiler I've got on it will help the chain life as it's only a 525 (630 on the CB1300)

    Let the FUN begin!

    (pics or it didn't happen.........come on Mr. Taylor.........they're waiting............)



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  8. squizzy

    squizzy Been here awhile

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    OK Phil, I just got home. Here are your photos.
    Pic 1. The benchmark that everything is set by :lol3 You can fill in the rest Phil.

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  9. phyllis

    phyllis just another dummy

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    Thanks Ian!

    Still in love with the 1150GS/Ural ?
    Have been watching your posts.

    The photos say it all, largeish(35x35mm 4 mm wall) square tube anchored in the middle under the footpeg mount, and cross braced from the other side of the frame and from above, much like a couple of the builds I did that are in the "build threads".

    Phil.
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  10. Miggins1

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    Nice work as usual, Phil.
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  11. Eddieb

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    Nice. Where do you guys source your left hand chairs from?
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  12. phyllis

    phyllis just another dummy

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    From the Australian importer, Ural-IMZ, in New South Wales.

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  13. JustKip

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    Thanks, Phil. Looks great!
    Disappointing to hear about the high gearing. I was looking at using the DCT version, as my left foot is clumsy, and always hurts from nerve damage. I've been told that gearing can't be changed on the DCT. I know I'm not doing any hard, but shifting can be very unpleasant. I was looking at that exhaust, and it shouldn't be tooo hard to work around. It will just require a slightly lower subframe
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  14. Strong Bad

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    At least with sprockets & a chain the gearing can easily modified. Might check to see if a smaller counter shaft sprocket can be found to fit in addition to a larger rear. One tooth on the front can be equivalent to several in the rear (the actual amount of change is related to the ratio front to rear).
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  15. JustKip

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    Allegedly can't be done with the DCT, which has electronic, speed to RPM related controls of shift points. DCT is a big part of my interest.
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  16. phyllis

    phyllis just another dummy

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    Changing the rear sprocket didn't change the revs/speedo relationship, the speedo just tells bigger lies!
    This is because the speedo reads(not very well) from the gear box.
    You could put a GIANT sprocket on the back(or tiny on the front) and still get the same revs/MPH showing on the gauges, the bike wouldn't know the difference!!! Disclaimer........mine hasn't got ABS or Traction control, but I don't think this changes where the speed is measured on all models.
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  17. Strong Bad

    Strong Bad Former World's Foremost Authority

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    I believe that the DCT, as JustKip suggests, may be too smart for it's own good (supposedly it knows if you are leaning and or climbing/descending ). After looking around doing a limited research on Honda's DCT, it appears that in all but the sportiest of modes the DCT ECU may get confused as to when it automatically shifts. I'm still very interested in these DCT bikes and will continue to research.
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  18. Eddieb

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    Cheers, have sent an email
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  19. SidecarLeigh

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    Hi Phil, the AT looks great with a sidecar.
    Are you going to fit leading links? Is the lower triple clamp strong enough?
    Soon as I saw one I reckon it was going to be a great Adventure sidecar bike, let us know how it goes long term

    Cheers Leigh
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  20. leethal

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