Haul Road Primer - Part 1

Discussion in 'Alaska' started by Alcan Rider, Dec 28, 2013.

  1. Alcan Rider

    Alcan Rider Frozen Fossil

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    Your attitude is what I recommended riders practice in the original post that started this thread. Regardless of legalities, it pays to show respect toward those vehicles that weigh hundreds of times what one of our bikes weigh. In addition, the drivers of those vehicles have a job to do while we are just out for a ride. If that were not enough, if we get into serious trouble, it just might be one of those drivers who will be the first to come to our aid.

    It is my hope that you give that road a go. You won't regret it.
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  2. aalexander

    aalexander Been here awhile

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    Ahh OK, I see now that the "Whitehorse" was just where he happened to be, not where he lives.

    Yes, I agree quite strongly that if the public is paying for a road, then if should be open to them. We part company when he starts demanding that *because* he is allowed there, then it *must* be maintained to a standard he desires. One may as well demand that it be maintained to current Federal Highway Administration Standards. It's being maintained to a standard appropriate to it's intended purpose.

    I guess I'm surprised to see the attitude that "The world owes me the obligation to makes itself safe for me, wherever I choose to go" proposed here on an adventure riding forum. And I recognize that it's not you making the demand, that you're merely quoting someone else' words.
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  3. Alcan Rider

    Alcan Rider Frozen Fossil

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    That's not what I read in either Bob's or Geoff's comments. Rather, it would seem that there is a complaint about warnings, or lack thereof, in areas that are undergoing maintenance. For those of us who travel that road frequently, the first sign of a road being wetted down for grading will have us dropping our speed and keeping a watchful eye on the surface. But for someone not as familiar with said maintenance procedures, passing a sign (if one has been placed) that merely mentions "ROAD WORK AHEAD" and then riding for two or three miles with no sign of equipment or men working does not equate to an alarm. That road has too many places where a rider's lack of caution and/or experience can place him/her in dire straits in a heartbeat. DOT could definitely do a better job of alerting those travelers who are not keeping tabs on everything going on from one end to the other via Channel 19.
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  4. vette

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    My two cents worth. I rode up to the Arctic Circle in July of 2009 on a 2008 Harley Street glide. I started out in Kentucky. I looked at the road as a more or less a construction road for the oil industry up north. I didn't look at it as another road that is part of the Alaskan highway system and should be maintained accordingly but anticipated a rough go and my choosing to undertake whatever conditions existed. It's a "riders beware" road and accept whatever condition it is in and ride accordingly-or not ride it...
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  5. Englishmatt

    Englishmatt Been here awhile

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    I rode to Deadhorse in July 2011 on a GSA. Weather was great going up and we busted from Fairbank to DH in 8hrs. Weather coming back was awful and it took 20hrs; and was one of the things I remember most about my ride.

    I would encourage anyone on just about any bike to reach to Arctic Circle sign, which to me was no big deal. It's mostly all broken black top and permafrost. HOWEVER...after the Arctic Circle sign the road is a different animal; the Calcium Chloride is no joke and caution should be exercised. I understand why they use it and I want them to continue to use it.

    Atigun Pass is simply amazing. The overall sensation of a challenging road while you are riding through the tundra is simply sensory overload. I think that the raw finish to the Dalton is 99% of the allure. There is f%$# all to see in Deadhorse, other than to say "I made it to Deadhorse". If it were an easy route, then where's the allure?

    All that said, I agree that we should be granted to ride the road (which we are) but we have to understand this is a work road and as such deal with it in what ever condition the road happens to be in.

    I mean, holy cow...anyone riden I-40 across the US? It's shitty at best. Throw in I-75 and I-20 and our tax dollars should work to get the main transport routes acceptable, before working on a very remote, convenience route.

    I plan to hit the Dempter in 2016 and I hope it's not been graded and smooth.
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  6. KHuddy

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    Fairbanks to Deadhorse, a bit over 500 miles in 8 hours. A 62 MPH average. That is amazing; one might even say unbelievable. Well done.
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  7. nuttynu

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  8. FLARider1

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    DUDE..............too funny, I am going back again in 2016 also!! And this time the Dempster is a must do!!! I had it planned the first time but with riding 750 miles of the round trip to Deadhorse in the rain (I rode up the day you rode done), the reports of the bad shape of the road, and being by myself, I opted not to ride it.

    See ya up there again.........July 1, 2016 departure.
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  9. Englishmatt

    Englishmatt Been here awhile

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    Excellent! Let's sync up at the downtown Dawson hotel. I owe you a hyderrizer, so I'll by you a toe shot.
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    Yup, it was amazing! My brother and I were flying. Just got in to "that mindset" and didn't stop.

    The K60 tires were great.
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  11. FLARider1

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    Thats right!! You guys were celebrities by the time you showed up!! Paid for shot waitin on ya!!!
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  12. FLARider1

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    Kevin I can actually attest to it. It was July 2011 and had been dry for a couple days. I was gonna head up with them that day but opted to stay in UAF for another day and do the Denali Highway. The weather was perfect and they hauled ass up there. I left the next day and rode in the Frickin rain from the gas station north of Fairbanks to DH and then back to Wiseman the next day........LOL............some guys have all the luck.
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  13. david white

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    That looks like an old friend "JD Rocks" and his custom versys
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  14. caliform

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    bahah, that's almost how loaded I was on my GT...
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  15. AllSeasonRider

    AllSeasonRider Wandering, maybe a little lost...

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    I gotta stop reading these AK and Haul Rd threads... I'm having naughty thoughts about my Monster... I have enough gravel/mud/construction experience to not be too phased by any of these photos (snow aside), but I'm scheming how to get enough fuel on board to a bike that carries 150 miles worth at best and has basically no luggage or rack provisions...
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  16. armith

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    Can't remember if it was here on ADVRider or elsewhere.. But I saw a fab a mounting bracket to the passenger pegs of his GS.. It's actually the very thing I'm considering on my ride.
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  17. AllSeasonRider

    AllSeasonRider Wandering, maybe a little lost...

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    I've done a 3-piece Givi setup that clicked into the passenger seat mount on a Buell I had, and fabbed up a Givi topcase mount for another Buell. I've got ideas kicking around for the Ducati as well, but they'll be a little more involved as it's a piece seat. I travel light, so I don't need much...
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  18. armith

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    I found the picture I was talking about by doing a search for rotopax r1200gs on my favorite search engine. the picture is referenced for the riders Alaska trip. You have some interesting options given the way the passenger pegs mount.
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  19. KHuddy

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    Look at Peg Packers as a good idea for carrying extra fuel.
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  20. NumberCruncher

    NumberCruncher Been here awhile

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    I am glad I spent my first thirty years of riding on dirt bikes. Rough roads like this simply do not phase me one bit. Now I'll say the disadvantage is that if I try to ride a 500 pound F800GS like a 250 pound dirt bike I may be worse off . . . Also, it seems like the mosquitos may be really bad once over Atigun Pass and heading to the Tundra. I'll look for one of those mosquito face masks and duct tape my gloves to my jacket and that should help; a little.

    The Dempster is supposedly even more impressive but what I don't know is how many miles between fuel stops on that road. I looks like The Dalton/Haul road is about 250 miles from Fairbanks to gas at Coldfoot and another 250 to Deadhorse. I can manage that if I pack two gallons of gas on my bike. Maybe there is gas between Fairbanks and Coldfoot and most folk just skip over that as you have to go the final 250 miles without a station so that will be the real limitation.

    I don't want to jinx myself but I should be leaving Washington State in early June and average about 250 miles a day to Fairbanks.

    NC
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