HD200 vs SC250 vs BV350 vs 300GTS

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by Murgatroid, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. HBrew

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    The point is was it corporate Suzuki? if so they still closed the doors. No advantage over a separate company distributing the product here. A previous post suggested since SYM was not distributing product directly in the US that this is a negative. My point in bringing up Suzuki is that is not necessarily true. So far Alliance appears to be executing a very good business plan, as a customer I am happy with SYM, my local dealer and Alliance.
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  2. Motovista

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    No, they didn't close the doors, they stopped selling cars in the US. The point is that manufacturers can and are willing to weather a money losing year or two, and have the ability to do so. Most of the distributors bolt or cut way back when the market tanks.
    Now, just so you fully understand the difference between dealing with the company you are dealing with and a manufacturer that distributes their own product, try buying body panels for a 2006 Lance, and then try buying them for any 1995 Honda or Yamaha scooter.
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  3. HBrew

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    Manufacturers can leave a market just a fast as a separate business distributing when they decide it is not profitable enough. Suzuki stopped selling cars in the US, even though they could have afforded to keep taking losses for years. I own an Izuzu they are still around but no longer sell cars in the US, even though they could have afforded to lose money in this market for years. There is a lot more to the equation than a company distributing product directly in a market.
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  4. Murgatroid

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    At the risk of bring this thread back on topic, I plan to test ride the HD200 today. The more I think about my bike roadmap, the more I think it makes sense to get a lighter scooter. I can get a more tour oriented bike or scooter in the future. I do like the idea of being able to carry a scooter with me on a hitch carrier on the front of my truck camper. 300lbs is about the max I'd feel comfortable doing that.

    So far my attempts to check out the BV350 have been thwarted! I stopped by the dealer in Walnut Creek on my way to the bay area yesterday, but they were still closed for the holidays. This dealer has hours that pretty much guarantee that I can't just stop by on my weekly trip up and back home. The closest dealer with stock is in SF and I'll be near there today looking at the HD200, but their BV350 is in storage and the guy who knows where that is and how to retrieve the bike is not in until tomorrow.

    It may be just as well. I'd rather spend less money anyway.
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  5. chazbird

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    But didn't you first mention that you'd use this new scooter for riding, at elast sometimes, between the Sierra foothills and Silicon Valley? I live in Oakland and go to the Sierra's on a BV250, its perfect...for the back roads, (think through the Delta or across the valley on country roads) and OK for limited freeway use, but for slogging it on 80 over the Carniquez Bridge or over the Altamont, (yuck!!) it, and the rider, is over taxed. Sure you can do it, I can, and sometimes do, but the bike is typically running 85% WOT, and up the Altamont into a headwind its WOT and skirting around the semi-trucks, not pretty. The BV350 would be a big step up, maybe perfect. I don't imagine a 200 cutting it at all. Yes, disclosure time, I lust after a BV350, it seems perfect. And once you see one in person it makes the lust worse.
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  6. Dabears

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    Anxious to hear your impressions of the HD200.
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  7. Murgatroid

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    I had thoughts of riding it between the mountains and the bay, but it wasn't a high priority since I have a motorcycle that can do that. I will mainly be using it around town while I'm down here during the week. I'd also like to be able to carry it on my truck camper.

    As much as I love the BV350, for now I'm going with the 2012 HD200. It was bought new in July at SF Moto and has 300 miles on it. It looks brand new. It has a Givi top case on it. I am getting it for $2600. I was VERY impressed with it's acceleration. It fits me perfectly and I can flat foot it (5'9", 30" inseam). I can totally see getting a used BV350 in a couple of years, though.

    I'm very excited! I'll pick it up tomorrow.
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  8. HBrew

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    I apologize for my part in the side track.

    Can't wait to hear what you think of the HD 200. I have a 2008 with 15000 + trouble free miles.
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  9. gogogordy

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    Congrats! Sounds like a heckuva deal on a well built scoot.

    Keep us posted.
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  10. Dabears

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    That is awesome- please show us pictures and give us some ride reports. The EVO is a nice scooter, especially since you'll be getting the rear disk brake on the 2012. Sounds like a great deal for so few miles and getting the top case as well!

    FYI- The Vespa/Sym dealer by me has the windshields that fit the EVO, and they look nice on them if you find you need more wind protection- here's a couple pictures: http://www.mariettasportscar.com/ve...3a74199458518197bb053/2012+sym+hd200+evo.html
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  11. Murgatroid

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    Is that the Puig windshield? Looks good. I may have to opt for something like that. On the other hand, I've grown used to bikes without windshields.

    I just found out that the warrantee on SYMs is not transferrable. Should I be concerned?
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  12. Phipsd

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    The last time I had a motorcycle as reliable and trouble free as my SYM over the past three years was the CB 350 Honda I bought in 1970. My local SYM/Vespa dealer has just gone out of business; not because of money, but a lack of bikes.

    I'm not worried.
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  13. HBrew

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    Any updates? :lurk
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  14. Murgatroid

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    I've been meaning to post an update. I picked the HD200 up on Friday and have been have a great time riding it around this weekend between storms. It has impressive power, and great handling. It's feels like the best traits of a scooter and a motorcycle. Most of my riding has been 2-up and it still accelerates briskly. I haven't had a chance to take it above 60, but it sure gets there quickly. It does vibrate a bit at idle, but is very smooth upon take-off. It starts immediately as if it were fuel injected. It's a very impressive scooter.

    I wish I had a more picturesque setting for these pictures.

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  15. HBrew

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    Nice looking scoot, I like the yellow!
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  16. gumshoe4

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    nice!
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  17. gogogordy

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    Very nice, the yellow and black really looks nice and is hi-viz. Damn fine score.

    Re: vibrating a little at idle, scooters tend to have a different harmonic at idle with the rear brake clamped, than without a brake or just the front brake clamped since the entire driveline/engine are unitized. i dont know if thats what youre experiencing, but try idling with the front, then just the rear binder clamped and there is typically a marked difference.

    Enjoy!
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  18. Dabears

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    Pictures look great- top box is nice. Keep us updated on how things go with it. I'm partial to the flat black, but they all look awesome. would like to see the new white one when the dealers get them too (Alliance had a picture on their facebook page)!

    How is the acceleration compared to your Vespa Rally?
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  19. Murgatroid

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    Acceleration feels quite a bit faster than my Rally. No shifting also helps. I don't have the two scooters in the same place, so I can't do a back to back comparison at the moment.
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