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Discussion in 'Vendors' started by byways, Dec 2, 2012.
Got it! Sorry about the long responses to your questions, but I hope it's helpful.
Post 109 in Heart of the West ADV Route "Vendor" thread ... PA inmate looking to break out and flee west; needs co-conspirator ...
I've had several inmates tell me they're planning to ride Heart of the West ADV Route alone. I recommend against doing so for important reasons.
However, there aren't that many of us; good riding buddies can be hard to find. So what's an inmate doing time in the ADV equivalent of solitary confinement to do? Stay home and grow, like, old and regretful?
It's been suggested that someone play matchmaker, and I guess I shall hereby volunteer. Never done this before, but here goes ...
Perhaps someone looking for ADV love can post thusly in this thread.
in this "Planning for Forever West ..." thread.
Just imported the tracks into Basecamp on my PC, my first go at this much-maligned program. Looks great and functions well.
... across the Continental Divide.
... looks more imposing--if that's possible--in the unsettled season of spring. On this route, late summer (early or mid-September) or early fall are best.
Riders over the last couple of seasons have encountered closures of Forest Road 550 in Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest--part of this route--due to logging ("treatment," they call it) of "hazard" trees killed by pine bark beetles. That required re-routing.
I received word yesterday, Dec. 18, 2012, from Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest in Wyoming that hazard-tree logging on Road 550 is complete, "so closures and/or delays should not be an issue on this road."
The road passes Hog Park Reservoir south of Encampment, Wyo.
Just FYI, removal of hazard trees will occur on roads 409 and 496, roughly in this vicinity, this winter and may continue into the riding season.
For info about roads 550, 409 and 496, call the forest's Saratoga office @ (307) 326-5258.
Box Y Lodge--an authentic mountain hideaway along the route--is offering Heart of the West clients a reduced rate. But the lodge can only take HoW travelers through Sept. 7; after that, a hunting outfitter takes over.
For one night's stay it's $80 per cabin for two people. You can buy meals there as you wish as well. It's a gorgeous and serene locale deep in Bridger-Teton National Forest. However, summer operations typically conclude at the end of the first week of September; then a hunting outfitter takes over. But for folks who ride the route in mid-September, as I often advise, the proprietor says she may well have cabin available, but you must call ahead. Ask for our friend Cindy--a friend to ADV riders everywhere.
Just visit the website (link is above) for more information.
This is a sweet deal for ya'll ...
See @ post 775 here.
Three of us made this ride in September of this year and it was everything we'd heard and more. Big bike friendly, stunning scenery in it's variety and grandeur, and FUN! If you ride DS you just have to make this loop. We did it in 13 days but did cut off one or two of the side scenic loops as we were dawdling along and enjoying the scenery. We never had to ride late, or rush in the morning. Well, we did get in to the Box Y right at dinner time, but that was the only really long day, at our relaxed pace. One of our riders was on his very first ADV ride, on a R1200GS. Enuf said.
The Box-Y is a must, and we found some neat, but old, log cabins just north of Atlantic City on Louis Lake that we really enjoyed. No electricity, just a handy Coleman lantern provided on the table. We had Moose for company in the morning, too! Wild Bill's is right in Atlantic City; just ask anyone where. He wasn't home when we were there but had a note out front saying to fill your gas tanks from the provided cans and leave money. I imagine it's generally there when needed.
Thanks so much Tony, and Frank, for letting us in on this trip!
Hey, thanks, blaisew!
How 'bout a bit of the eastern Idaho segment ...
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whats the best bike for this trip? i have a ktm 350 exc-f set up for dual sport touring, but i also have a multistrada 620 thats plenty capable of fire roads and such (if a gs can do it my multi certainly can). are smaller nimble bikes or big adv touring pigs more ideal. personally its nice to have the choice.
Howdy, Wizz! First of all ... It's great to hear from the North Coast, a glorious region I know pretty well (speaking as a former Mendocino County resident). Happy New Year!
I used to ask early in these inquiries what bike a prospective Heart of the West rider was planning to ride. No more. Now I ask: What kind of rider will be in the saddle?
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As you can see, inmate JohnPitts01, a member of first group to ride the entire route, barely survived the now-departed (insurance issue) bucking moose at Crooked Creek Guest Ranch along the Wyoming segment. So for him, riding anything with antlers was out. (ALERT! Crooked Creek has agreed to give Heart of the West ADV Route clients a 10 percent discount. Just ask for Kate, the manager--yet another friend of ADV travelers everywhere. )
Fact is, I lean toward mid-weight bikes. Being a mild-mannered, blue diamond-level rider, I get along on a KLR. So, 650 to 800 ... That range seems ideal to me for the mix of roads and conditions on this route.
Yet Heart of the West has been ridden just fine by folks on 250 Yams, F800s, 990 Katooms and yes, even the great GSA ... the full range of bikes. Just visit the growing number of ride reports and you'll see what I mean.
A German tour company's Beemer medley on the Colorado segment:
The fleet ridden by Dockingpilot's crew, in port @ a quiet Nevada inn:
Mobius' LDF leads the pack on her Suzuki DR-Z400 along the Idaho section:
BigDog sails along the Montana leg on his WR250R:
D-man, on his Honda XR650L, is swallowed up by Utardia:
Wow! Even on horseback? A father and son on the Pony Express segment in the Great Basin ...:
Most of the roads are just fine on big bikes. There is no single-track trail riding. What you see in the two videos and the photographs is typical. But there are several segments (eroded, steep, sandy, rocky, maybe muddy) where (depending your abilities), it might seem that a wee 400 would be mo betta. But the route provides options that make it suitable to any off-highway-capable bike.
It is important to know the fuel range you can stretch out of your ride, and here big bikes with big tanks shine. Depending on which route options you select and whether or not fuel is available at an unreliable occasional source that I've waypointed, you can be looking at more than 300 miles between fuel stops in the Great Basin.
Hope that helps!
Only for those looking to:
"get away from it all" in the true sense of the meaning
or those perhaps to trying to come as close as possible to feeling like a pioneer might have on the Oregon Trail in 1849.
Oregon Trail, Wyoming, just prior to "Parting of the Ways"
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Imagine ... hundreds of thousands of emigrants, their wagons and oxen grinding down those tracks and across that landscape ... :eek1
Thanks for the info. It will be a while before I tackle such a ride, still on the uphill climb of recovering from lyme, building strength and what not, but definately on the list with the TAT, baha and OBDR. Currently outfitting my ktm for these type rides, maybe my multi with proper shoes and protection would be better for this particular ride (lots of fairly open miles). Once I can start logging some good multiday miles on them I'll have a better idea, or maybe by the time Im get around to this ride I'll have something else. I recollect coming across parts of the Applegate Trail that breaks southwest from the Oregon Trail and wondering the same thing. Quite and undertaking striking out across the west in wagons with all your supplies and what have you. Certainly some hardy folk. Nice videos btw.
If any of you are on the fence about using his route package, all I can say is do it. If you truly want to experience the west, stop dicking around trying to create something yourself!!!
Take the proper 2+ weeks off and have a pre-planned trip of a lifetime thanks to Tony. He is THE expert and has been exploring western dirt roads longer than many of you have even been riding...i'm talking 30-40yrs of dirt road routing experience.
He was doing this in SUVs before the word ADV touring or even this website even existed. Tony knows his routes. In fact we consult with him when we are designing our dirt road routes for our state maps and he has joined us on our official BDR rides.
Yes he is the go to man! Do it right, take the time off, use his routes, plan your trip & prep your bikes properly.
If not now, when? You're gonna be dead soon enough and "some day" means never unless you do something about it today!
Bill Eakins - Butler Maps
In case any of you want to know who Tony H. is, check him talking @ .44 sec & on various shots on the green KLR.
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Thanks for all your help Tony!
An honor to ride with you all!
From time to time, inmates who are planning Heart of the West rides ask where they might begin and end the journey. Since Heart of the West Adventure Route is (as one inmate described it), kind of a propeller-shaped loop, there are many options that can conveniently accommodate travelers from any point on the compass. There's no need to make a big U-turn at the end and slab your way back to your tow vehicle or return-shipping point.
Here are a few suggested starting/ending locales (one or two of which may require a bit of additional routing, with which I can assist):
Idaho: Idaho Falls (where I live; I can provide parking and other support)
Colorado: Rangely; Steamboat Springs; Grand Junction
Nevada: West Wendover
Utah: Greater Salt Lake City; Provo; Orem; Vernal; Wendover
Wyoming: Kemmerer; Jackson
For storage of your tow vehicle and trailer, if necessary, a request in the “Tent space” thread or other relevant (perhaps regional) thread would likely generate offers from the ADV community to let you park somewhere.