Heidenau 17" rears

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by sirtwisty, Feb 16, 2011.

  1. sirtwisty

    sirtwisty Adventurer

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    :kbasaHas anyone found a source for the rears yet.
    I need new sneakers on my GS and can find fronts but not the rear.
    Sir Twisty
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  2. Highwood

    Highwood Been here awhile

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    140-80-17
    Little bit narrower, little bit taller, readily available
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  3. sirtwisty

    sirtwisty Adventurer

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    :ear Highwood
    I'm all ears, have you or anyone else you know tried the size you mentioned, and if so, I'd like to hear how the tire performed.
    I'm eager to try a set of this fabled & mysterious brand, so would welcome input from all.
    Thanks
    Sir Twisty
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  4. dzeck

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    Two sources both say they'll have stock later in March-April. I've been looking also... no joy yet.
    :ddog
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  5. Refplusten

    Refplusten Relaxed...

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    Looks like you can pre-order them here. I'm sure their might be other places you can as well.
    I just happened to be browsing on this site and saw it when you posted.

    http://www.blackdogcw.com/mm5/merch...duct_Code=HN_K60_15070-17&Category_Code=Tires

    I haven't heard about how the 140's wear but I've seen a few GSA's with it on, of course it's the 'old' tire tread and compound and not this new fangled one that no one has tested yet.
    (In terms of real world riding anyway).
    :ear
    I have also heard from my supplier that April is the magic month. (The link is not my supplier)
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  6. RobStar

    RobStar Still On Training Wheels

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    Funny how that company claims "they last" when the new tire / compound hasn't even been manufactured yet!

    My wife has a set of them in the proper size on her 650GS and they're looking pretty good after 1000 miles.

    RobStar
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  7. BordenBmw

    BordenBmw TheFrenchRider

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    So, are the new K60 Scout replacing the original K60 tires or will they be both in production? I was just on a Canadian website and the pics are from the original K60 and they don’t said anything about the Scout, just that it's a brand-new tire and more information is coming soon.


    http://www.aviciouscycle.ca/k60FandR.html
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  8. 2712

    2712 Been here awhile

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    hey!

    There is a rear 150 on a 17 inch rim since september 2010!
    Im gonne check if i can get them here in belgium.

    are you guys willing to pay for shipping and tax?
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  9. Refplusten

    Refplusten Relaxed...

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    The K60 Scout is replacing the original 150.

    My friend has the original K60 150 on his Wee-Strom and has +20,000 kms on it and it still looks good (lots of that with 2 up and loaded for camping). He's extremely pleased with it's traction, wear and performance and says he won't put anything else on his bike. Has me convinced but you can't find that 'old' K60 150 anymore. I'll still get the K60 Scout 150 when it finally arrives.

    The site probably just hasn't updated the pictures. The pictures of the new design have only just recently starting surfacing on the net.
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  10. BordenBmw

    BordenBmw TheFrenchRider

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    <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DoNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> Just found it on the European website. Like you said the 110 and the 150 (GS Sizes) will only be available in the scout version but it seems that both version will be in production.




    http://www.reifenwerk-heidenau.de/modules/reifenliste/view.php?point=2&rtyp=10


    K60 rear
    110/80 - 18 M/C 58S TT
    120/80 - 18 M/C 62T TT
    120/90 - 17 M/C 68T Rf. TT
    120/90 - 18 M/C 71T Rf. TT
    130/80 - 17 M/C 69T Rf. TT
    130/80 - 17 M/C 65T TL
    130/80 - 17 M/C 65H TL
    130/80 - 18 M/C 72T Rf. TT
    4.00 - 18 M/C 64S TT
    4.10 - 18 M/C 60S TT
    4.60 - 17 M/C 68T Rf. TT
    5.10 - 17 M/C 69T Rf. TT

    K60 front
    100/90 - 19 M/C 57H TL
    2.50 - 21 M/C 48P Rf. TT
    2.75 - 21 M/C 45P TT
    3.00 - 21 M/C 51T TT
    3.00 - 21 M/C 51T TL
    80/100 - 21 M/C 51S TT
    80/90 - 21 M/C 48P TT
    90/90 - 18 M/C 51S TT
    90/90 - 21 M/C 54T TT
    90/90 - 21 M/C 54H TL

    K60 Scout
    110/80 B - 19 M/C 54T TL M+S
    140/80 - 17 M/C 69T TL M+S
    140/80 - 18 M/C 70S TT M+S
    150/70 - 18 M/C 70T TL M+S
    90/90 - 21 M/C 54T TL M+S

    Thanks
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  11. Refplusten

    Refplusten Relaxed...

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    This is the first version of the K60 Scout. Came out after the original K60 production was stopped. Note the small line of rubber down the centre of the tire. This was not on the original K60.

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    This is the version that is apparently coming out in April. Yet another design change which seems to make the centre more tolerable to wear with the addition of more rubber. Hopefully it has just as good traction off road as the original.

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    This is all, of course, from my infallible source... the internet.
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  12. BordenBmw

    BordenBmw TheFrenchRider

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    Didn't know about the first and second version:dunno, good to know
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  13. slowoldguy

    slowoldguy Tire Tester

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    I'm on Blackdog's call list for the 150/17 but I need new tires now. I'm thinking about going with the 140/17. If it is "readily available", who would be the best place to get the tires? And would the be the old compound/design or the new? Or would we have a choice?
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  14. bigdave-gs

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    gonna put another tire throught the SOG Thrashin Test.......:lol3 When we see one that works for you, we will know it's a bad ass tire.:evil
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  15. Welshman

    Welshman B.U.F.F.

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    I fitted a K60 150 Scout last weekend, the RSA market is "small" and enough "hard test" riders in a small area with harsh temperature conditions, so high temperature testing at lower cost/risk maybe than say USA anyway I have run the 140 and it is a bit narrow for the Rim of an 1150 so wears square, it is a looooong lasting compound, so a softer tyre would be gone and you are still tooling around on the 140 so squareness gets you before worn out:D So I fitted the Scout 150, rounder profile handles good, and the solid centre means a very smooth road ride definitely lower vibes, the question is how does it run sand etc have not had a chance to try it yet:freaky
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  16. rallen

    rallen "Lost with a Purpose"

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    O.K. - After like two decades waiting for these things, I pre ordered mine yesterday. What does that mean to everybody else? If I pre-ordered the tire, it will not come out. Sorry to jinx everybody, buts thats just my luck.

    Hopefully I am wrong - I want to see if I can do a Alaska trip on one set (6000 miles).
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  17. Mr Head

    Mr Head PowerPoint ADV

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    I've given up on these tires. I've run two sets now, the first easily went 11,000 miles. I'm about ready for the second set to be replaced.

    I plan on going back to TKC80's as I can get them easily.


    Things I have not cared for with the K60's

    1. Hard to find. My first set came from a Moto Amore, they moved or couldn't get them and I got a second set locally, but it took about 3 months.

    2. Bead does not seal well so they require adding air every couple of days. They can lose 30 psi in a couple of weeks.

    3. The second rear tire took a lot of weight to balance.

    4. Not as good in sand as the TKC80, at least in my meager experience.

    Really stiff sidewall. Mounting is a bear. making me thing trail side repair would be none too much fun.

    Nitpicky for sure, but it's my ride and money. I'll go back to TKC80's for dirt and continue to run Tourances for street.


    Things I like:
    1. Great traction for a semi dirt tire on wet pavement.
    2. They stick to dry pavement.
    3. Mileage is great. I am averaging around 13,000 miles at full flat wear on the rear. The front is still holding up nicely. Keeping them aired up to maximum is helping a lot on the wear with no noticeable traction problems.
    4. They look very cool. I know stupid reason but hey they do look cool.
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  18. hasenwerk

    hasenwerk Long timer

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    I have a 140/80-17 Mitas E-09 Dakar on my GS - no problems at all fitment wise at all - it's just to say a little taller and a little narrower than a 150.

    The "new" new K60 with the solid bit down the center looks like not like the tire that I would want because it is way more biased towards highway than dirt - looks more like a 70/30 tire to me. The Tourance would be my choice there. The Mitas E-07 looks much more like a 50/50 tire to me and the price is cheaper than the K60.
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  19. Pcfly

    Pcfly Dude?! Seriously??

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    The K-60's gone thru 3 versions. The original first version had just the blocks no connector between the blocks, looked more like a TKC. Now, because of a few complaints about blocks flexing and feeling as the bike felt wobbly in turns, a connector was added between the blocks for version 2. Now as the final incarnation of the tire, version 3 if you will, the center is all connected but leaving the cuts and blocks to either side of the 1/4 of the connected center bead.

    Why this new version (version 3)? Simple, the idea is that it cuts road noise from the whine of big block threaded tires on asphalt. It's intent is also to increase tire life (cut down wear) and three, while deflated in dirt, the blocks to either side of center have more contact, providing similar off-road traction benefits as version 1 and 2(not sure if I believe that yet)!

    That being said, I have version 2 on my GS and they have performed very well BUT....... I'm fearful of version 3 only because version 2 is perfect in my book! My personal observations after about 3K miles is, perfect off-road but whines a little at 75, wear seems very good for a big block tire.....best I've seen. I know someone complained about loosing air and at first my front would loose a couple of pounds within a week, going from 35-30 in about 7 days. That for some reason was worse in cold temps then warm. It was suggested to me to over pump the tire to 40-45psi (tire max is 36psi) then deflate it to 34-36 with the idea of setting the bead better. I can't say I've noticed much of a difference but again, the tire isn't loosing much of any air now.

    The dealer who sells these are very close by so I'm fortunate to have them. I've even thought I should buy spars because nobody else makes a tire much like this K-60 for a true 50/50 enduro! It's really just a plain great tire IMHO. :dunno :thumb

    I have pictures of all three versions if someone wants to see it or post it for other to see.

    Also, to the person asking about the 140/80.......I'm running those currently, they work just fine. I have not altered how or where I ride due to the slight size difference.
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  20. Refplusten

    Refplusten Relaxed...

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    That's interesting about losing air in the front tire. My friend with the 1000 Wee-Strom is having the same issue with his front (Version 1 tires).
    I'm not sure if the change in versions affects the design of the front tire. Can anyone shine some light on that?

    Anywho... his front tire would seem to just let out air under tougher conditions such as logging roads and some serious pavement twisties. Not sure if it's doing it routinely but the last two times we went out riding (same 2 conditions mentioned) we've had to stop and pump up the tire then go. It almost seems as if it just lets air out in a relatively short period while under strain. He's left his bike in his garage for a few months at a time with it holding it's air. Almost makes me think I should find a different tire for the front. A TCK 80 might be great but I don't do enough off road to justify a true knobby though.
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