Heidenau 17" rears

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by sirtwisty, Feb 16, 2011.

  1. jamesp

    jamesp Been here awhile

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    love to see the pics if you have them!

    I'v read all about them all & they sound like good 50/50 tyres. Not sure which version is available locally just now so am curious. I think I know the diff between #1 & #2 but not #3...
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  2. Refplusten

    Refplusten Relaxed...

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  3. 2712

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    Ever seen the movie "born to ride" where the captain at one point starts cutting up bloks on the tires with a knife... when his superiour ask "what the hell he was doing" he responds "better traction":wink:.

    make a version 2 out of a 3 is my suggestion:evil
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  4. ghostrider1964

    ghostrider1964 Edumacated Red Neck

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    I keep wanting to try the Heidi, but your synopse pretty well explains why I run TKCs and Tourances and sometimes together:lol3
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  5. bigdave-gs

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    I wonder if you got the bead hot (very warm) before you mounted them if it would help seat the bead on the rim. I don't know your climate temp but I would think that the hot summer days here in Texas would let the compound soften enough to seat on the rim better. I like the fact that you are getting 13,000 miles out of you rear tire, that's 4,000 miles better than I average out of my rear Tourance. How do they do in mud, and I don't mean knee deep mud, just muddy roads.
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  6. Pcfly

    Pcfly Dude?! Seriously??

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    I PM'ed you.

    Post #22 is Version 3 as the good fellow posted.
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  7. Highwood

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    You can get a 140 rear from these guys:
    http://www.blackfootdirect.com/p-16110-heidenau-k60-dual-sport-tires.aspx
    Top quality guys.
    I rode a set of Heidenaus (140-80-17 rear) from Calgary to Flin Flon across the Trans-Labrador Highway through Newfoundland to Dartmouth, NS last June. Approximately 10,000kms on rear when I replaced it. Could have maybe got a few more miles, but tires are cheaper than my ribs or other body parts. Front had tons of life left in it.
    They are noisy, more so than a TKC IMHO. They are adequate on tarmac, excellent on gravel, good in rain, best mud tire yet, though a fully-loaded GSA in mud is just stupid.
    I would describe them as an expedition tire; high on utility (excellent mileage, 2x+ over a TKC, plenty luggy), low on fun (noisy, less tarmac grip than TKC.)
    I have another set (140 rear) that I'll mount for my Alaska trip.
    As for a 140 rear (versus the 150 manufacturer standard) for expedition-style purposes, the different size isn't relevant. Bike will be slightly higher in the rear and lean angles are slightly different in aggressive cornering. However, if tarmac canyon carving is your thing, you don't want TKCs or Heidenaus. If you want to safely motor at aggressive speeds down hundreds of miles of gravel, in my opinion Heidenau is the best and the 140 rear is a very minor compromise.
    One fellow's opinion. Your mileage and experience will vary.
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  8. Pcfly

    Pcfly Dude?! Seriously??

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    +1, very well stated. :freaky
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  9. kvr929rr

    kvr929rr Been here awhile

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    I have the same problems with losing air in the front on version 1. I think they could probably make a little softer carcass for the front without compromising the durability. I could run the front tire at a pretty low pressure (27psi) on the street without any ill effects on handling or mileage. I have almost 14,000 mi on them and the rear is pretty squared off but I still have 4mm left in the center. The front is at about 7mm.
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  10. rallen

    rallen "Lost with a Purpose"

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    I usually spoon my tires on dry (TKC), but it sounds like bead goop (or something similar) may be manditory for these tires.

    An expedition tire is exactly what I am looking for. If I need a good off road tire, TKC is proven.

    I think if the compound on #3 is the same as #1 and #2, then having the center bar should make these one hell of a long distance tire and cure some of the road issues too.

    Now if they will only ship the things- :wink:
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  11. Mr Head

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    The tires are mounted warmed on my Orange County driveway. I tried a lot of techniques and rotated the tire and wheels to get the least weights. popped the beads a few times too to check the rim for leaks.

    Tourances can usually be mounted without any weight at all.
    TKC80's that were from Germany used one or two weights, (tape)
    The Korean models sometimes take more weight.

    I don't ride in mud unless I'm stuck. I have ridden worn Tourances in mud and it was about as far as you can get from traction without being on slicks on ice. Very close to grease, but once I got moving steady was the key. Though the front would begin to plow and the rear would want to come around. I'd have to stop and re-group. Only about 200 yards or so. Three dabs no drops.
    They did not feel real good on the loose sand at Alabama Hills, though I was fully loaded with much more gear than I would normally have for off road travel.
    I have ridden some wet dirt and gravel no problems, the greasy stuff I stay off of as above. In really soft dirt or sand they don't feel quite as good as the TKC80. I suspect the blocks just don't dig into the soft surface as well. Though I am certainly no tire expert. Just feeling my way.

    The blocks move around a little more when new than TKC80's but it isn't that bad. Nothing to lose traction from. I seem to recall seeing some early pictures of blocks shearing off, but my two sets have not exhibited this. I have not ridden hard on dirt with these either. All my dirt travel was pretty heavily loaded and alone out of the way gravel or graded dirt roads. I wasn't about to go traction testing 1,000 miles from home with a load of camping and travel gear on.

    I'd buy more of these if
    1. They were more easily available, (as in SWMoto stocking them)
    2. The beads didn't leak so much, (A friend also has this issue, so I know its not just me)
    3. that weight nit. And I'm none too happy about the super stiff sidewalls. That would make a field repair if I had to put a tube in, a major pain, maybe near impossible.

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  12. Pcfly

    Pcfly Dude?! Seriously??

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    Just to add, not sure if it's clear or not but, Heidenau is a German made tire and they've been making tires as long as just about anyone. The factory where's they're made also produces other brand name tires as well. Apparently it hasn't been until the last couple years that they've made it stateside mostly due to internet hype. I think we're lucky to have this brand here and I hope they sick around!!

    P.S. I have no affiliation to Heidenau, just a happy customer after months of waiting and reading.
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  13. slowoldguy

    slowoldguy Tire Tester

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    Jeebus. Someone care to flesh this out for me? Are you saying that you just have to drone on tarmac at 65-70 because of wear? Or risk death every time you see/exceed the ton from a high-speed tank-slapping death wobble? Or can't lean the bike over and have fun in the corners because of safety issues concerning grip? I understand that there is a trade-off between Tourance/Anakee level canyon carving and the TKC , I expected similar of the Heidi and I can live with that. Even more performance drop from the heidi's? I sure hadn't heard/read that there was even worse cornering/higher speed performance out the Heidinau (compared to the TKC's). That may be a a couple of compromises I'm unwilling to make except if on a special trip where I get to
    I can maybe handle slowing down some on the straight paved bits (hard to do in Texas) but I'm not willing to ride the tasty twisty paved bits like I'm in a f'in parade.

    Screw the noise. That is of zero concern to me. (I've ridden on Karoos and they sound like mud-grips. Didn't care.) Street ability, dirt road traction, mileage at speed. Each weighted at a third. I was hoping the heidi was the true all-rounder for my kind of riding on a GS Adventure. I don't think my expectations are that unreasonable, but maybe they are. I'll compromise some grip in the dirt and on the street, endure some wiggling, learn to ride around some shakes, but Good God, I don't want to ride like I'm in my pick-up truck.

    It's looking more and more like a TKC 80 on the front and change out between a TKC/Tourance rear. Try to stay out of dirt/sand gnarlies on the Tourance and off the throttle on the TKC. Sucks.

    I've owned my GS Adv for 34K fun miles but this tire choice thing is making me consider going orange to get some better all-round tires for how I ride. Frustrating. I need to pull the trigger again and there is just nothing out there.
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  14. Highwood

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    Perhaps you missed this sentence:
    "They are adequate on tarmac, excellent on gravel, good in rain, best mud tire yet, though a fully-loaded GSA in mud is just stupid."
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  15. Refplusten

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    I've ridden my buds 1000 wee-strom on the version 1 K60 on some great paved twisties doing 100km/h (60km/h zone) and had a great time and had no feeling that death was imminent. Felt good and sure footed. I have no quams with getting the K60 for the rear of my GSA. I do have MINOR reservations about the front due to the somewhat common issue of it losing air for no apparent reason... But I usually don't make the best choices in life so I'll probably get it anyway. ;)


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  16. slowoldguy

    slowoldguy Tire Tester

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    Didn't miss it. I quoted part of it. Just wanted more info on what "adequate on tarmac" meant. Still wanting. Just asking for data. This concerns me
    I ride for fun. I have a truck for transportation.
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  17. jamesp

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    pics from PCfly (thanks).

    first pic is version 3 on the left & version 1
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    2nd pic is version 2 on the left (with a front)
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  18. rallen

    rallen "Lost with a Purpose"

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    But they're all so purdy

    I'd be happy with any of them if they would ever get here-
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  19. Refplusten

    Refplusten Relaxed...

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    Does anyone know if they have changed the design of the front at all?
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  20. Pcfly

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    From what I've been told about the fronts......no, they have stayed the same throughout.

    I might be wrong saying this BUT........I believe it's just the big bike sizes that the thread patterns had the three version changes. Don't quote me, but I believe all the regular sizes for smaller dual sports still have version 1 or 2?! :dunno



    P.S. Thanks Jamesp for posting the pic's! :thumb I think that takes away the myth of what these things look like and gives a clear idea of the evolution thus far.
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