Heindenau Scout K60's, worst wet weather tire ever...or it it just me?

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  1. motomuppet

    motomuppet Been here awhile

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    I ride a Tiger 800XC and recently swapped to a rear K60. Have not had the chance to try it off road yet, but it sucks on road in the wet! I ride full knobbys a lot, but never on the road (on my KTM250XC) and come from a road racing/MX back ground so have a bit of experience with various types of tires, but I have never ridden with anything this crap in the wet before (other than slicks on a wet track!). The rear lights up crossing white lines at moderate throttle...on a 80 odd HP tiger! Hate to think what they must be like on a 990 in the wet!

    Here in Singapore we get a lot of rain, and the roads have tons of painted lines and manhole covers and these tires make me nervous when it rains....am I the only one? Do they get better with more km's on them (have about 500km on it now so it should be well scuffed in)? Seriously thinking of swapping back to the stock tires until I get the chance to go offroad...:eek1...I got this rear cause they got great reviews...wondering if I got a dud?
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  2. Deuce

    Deuce Crazy Canuck

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    No dud. They get great reviews because cheap ass BMW riders buy them so they can ride 15000 miles in a season without having to buy new tires. Any tire that gives you that kind of mileage needs to be made of hard ass rubber. Hence no traction in the rain. I'll stick with my Conti Trail Attack 2's.

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  3. Full Power

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    You could take a sharp razor blade, cut some "sipes", transverse slits across the tread blocks. Lets the rubber conform better, and more 'edges' to grip the road surface.
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  4. PeterW

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    Not so bad once you get used to them. The only place I've found them to be a real problem is wet cattle grids.

    Edge grip is fine, even in the wet, just have to have the courage to lean them after the rear locked up on the downshift on entry to the corner.

    Trimming the 'hair' left from manufacture stops them squirming.

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  5. motomuppet

    motomuppet Been here awhile

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    ^ thats kinda the problem, I have no faith in them after feeling how easily they let go upright...never had a problem leaned over, but then, I am riding like an old woman on them in the wet and in the dry! Will try cutting sipes into the center tread (great idea, thanks FP) just to get a bit more feel and grip. I knew they would not be as good in the dry or wet as the BW's that came on the bike, but had no idea just how greasy they would be! Cheers for the feed back guys.
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  6. Matt fe2o3

    Matt fe2o3 Been here awhile

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    I have not has the same pucker factor on my Caponord (a 990 by the way :lol3). The K60s are OK. A little loud. I run 35 PSI and scrub them in proper. There are probably much better rain tires but I like the K60s.
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  7. C-Stain

    C-Stain Accredited Nincompoop

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    I ran a Heidenau K60 Rear tire on my DL1000. It proved to provide decent traction off road and decent grip and performance on dry and wet tarmac. I put a boatload of miles on ti and never had an issue in the rain. Mind you, I wasn't riding a with the bike fully loaded either.

    I tend to be somewhat agressive on the street - corner hard and scraped hard parts (Center Stand, Skid Plate, Side Cases) on a regular basis. They never made me feel unstable, or unsafe.

    The center strip is a bit disconcerting - it does reduce some traction riding off road, but even then, I rode my Strom on Forest Service Roads, Double Track and light single track very often. Muscling the big Strom over rocks and such proved difficult because of the weight, but the tires never seem to let me down. Late last season, I had even traversed some very frozen pudddles - not realizing they were frozen at the time and the tires tracked straight. (I think that was more luck than anything else).

    The Heidenau IS a compromise tire, just like most other DS and ADV tires. However, I will certainly buy another set down the road for my F800 becuase I AM a cheap ass BMW rider. :lol3 And I hate TKC80s.
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  8. Screaming Chicken

    Screaming Chicken Been here awhile

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    Just to be clear... Are we talking actual K60 Scout or just K60?

    K60 rear would let go on a mild downshift, Scout is much better.
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  9. huguesfrederic

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    K60 rear on my DR650, and I took them out did not like them at all. Oh, by the way I have great tires for sale Famous K60 in great condition: front new and rear with 750 km on them... :rofl
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  10. Hikertrash

    Hikertrash Long timer

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    Mine would slip on the white lines when there was dew on them and would slip easily on wet roads. That center strip which gives it its long life is also its downfall. I found them poor on dirt roads as well and went back to TKC. It's funny how you can talk to five people with the same tire and they all have different experiences with them whether good or bad.
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  11. Mikehusa

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    I go between the TKC80 and K60 on my 800XC for the rear. I have had no problems with this tire like you describe. I have done a lot of miles in the rain and think it is a better tire for wet roads than the TKC. I cant compare to a pure road tire as I never ran anything other the above since purchasing the motorcyle 20K+ ago.

    WET Cattle guards, manholes, train tracks, bridge seams, thermo plastic pavement markings, crack sealing, leaves ect will equal little to no traction on any tire.
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  12. EKinOR

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    I dumped my K60 rear because of the horrid wet performance and the terrible square profile. I switched to the Karoo 3 and couldn't be happier! I just did over 1000 miles in the rain and it worked very well.
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  13. KMC1

    KMC1 There is no spoon.

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    I almost went off the road and into the desert at 70mph because of those shitty tires. I took them off and sold them and won't ride them again unless they significantly change the rubber compound. Thank God my SO wasn't on the bike that day or I think she would never go on the bike again.

    I did a more detailed write up about it in the K60 tire thread up in GSpot I think it was if you want more info. :freaky

    Try the anakee II if you can still get them there - my favorite on road tire that has any pretense of being offroad capable. They do suck in the mud though which could be an issue in Singapore offroad I'd have to think.
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  14. Matt fe2o3

    Matt fe2o3 Been here awhile

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    Good point. I have only run the Scouts. I have hears the K60 (non Scout) is different and it would be interesting to know what the OP is running. Very well could be a version issue.
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  15. motomuppet

    motomuppet Been here awhile

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    I did not realise there were two different types? Mine has the solid center strip...is that the difference between the K60 and the scout? Otherwise, how do I tell which one it is?
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  16. goldentaco

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    Not sure differences between a K60 or K60 Scout.

    From Heidenau's site here are the tires: Depending on the size, the tread center strip is different. It will say "Scout" on the sidewall in cursive font possibly ( mine is) next to the tire size.
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    I haven't had any wet weather on mine yet but everyonce in a while I feel a little squirm from it when cornering hard on the throttle out of a corner, usually on rougher paved roads.


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  17. MCMXCIVRS

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    I am just about worn through my set of K60s and also don't plan to run another set.

    For me the decision is based on the off road performance not on road. I Never really had any trouble with them on asphalt; wet or dry. What I found was they just don't have good bite in loose conditions off road. The biggest issue is that center strip on the rear 150/70-17. It acts like a slick in mud or loose conditions. Even going down one size to the 140/80-17, while a bit better, still has too much of a center strip for me. The front tire is not knobby enough to have good lateral bite in mud or loose stuff, and tends to wander and slip around too much. I'd rate these as more like a 70/30 on off road tire not the 50/50 they claim them to be.

    The did last a long time though, which was OK. But in the end, I'll give up a bit of the mileage to get the traction off road back.
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  18. motomuppet

    motomuppet Been here awhile

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    So I checked my tire and it says K60 Scout on the side. I think it must come down to riding style and what you are used to I guess. I understand that these are long wear tires and anticipated less grip (which in the dry is acceptable), but the lack of wet weather grip is a deal breaker for me. I commute in heavy traffic, rain or shine on not the grippyest streets in the world and dont want to end up under a bus cause these tires spun out on steady throttle at half the speed or enthusiasm I normally ride with!

    I reckon if I was heading off on a round the world trip I might consider them just for the longevity factor, but for my real world 80- 90% commuting duties, they are coming off. I put them on for an off road trip that never happenned and left them on...will save them for off road trips. If I did not have a few hundred km's of slab to get to the off road bits I would just go full knobbies I reckon...I am starting to think that the 50/50 bias as advertised just means they are equallt shit on road and off :lol3!

    Thanks agian for the input fellas.
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  19. jbm

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    Had a few major puckers on very wet trip on the K60s. First experience with the tire and were 70% used on a F800 I picked up, getting close to the wear bar. Not confidence inspiring in the wet or dry for me. Was doing the speed limit holding the throttle steady, halfway through a moderate turn the rear let go in a big way. Saved it but my confidence was at 0%. Didn't feel great in the dry and leaned over the tires felt like marbles - same feeling right before the rear let go.

    Light rear braking in the way starts sliding and kicks in ABS immediately. I understand its a decent enough dry 60/40 but the wet performance means I'm switching to Anakees ASAP.
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  20. KG6BWS

    KG6BWS Been here awhile

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    Reading this yall are starting to scare me here.

    Im just starting to ride again after my back surgery in July and I am VERY conscious of traction. I noticed Im a lot more careful on curves and corners than I used to be. While I like the tire, I have noticed that my Scout is not as sticky as the TKC's Im used to running and with winter coming the whole wet weather traction issue with the Scout's is making me nervous.

    Thinking I might ditch these and put a set of Anakees on as well. I had a set when I first bought the bike and loved them. Considering its going to be a long long time before I am riding on dirt enough to need a more dirt oriented tire Im thinking its time for a switch.
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