Helicopters R Us

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by Weirdo, Dec 23, 2004.

  1. Hay Ewe

    Hay Ewe Just a Wannabe

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    the Huey in AUS
    the number 277 on the side indicates that its used mainly for fire fighting with a bambi bucket set up. For some reason they have all the aircraft fire fighting have numbers on them - I dont know why.

    its on high skids and has a hook - so it would use a bambi bucket, the skids are not heigh enough really to use a tank underneath - it may fit but I don't know.

    Its also a single so in the restricted category.

    I beleive the fire contracts to be quite lucrative - have never been involved in them and my company doesn't do them either.

    if you put a good paint job on any aircraft, keep it clean and hangared, its going to look REAL good for a long time. Ours, we work them, they don't live in hangers - most only see a hangar when they come in for maintenance. Sure Rotors are not cheap, but on the right contracts and low overheads, they a can make a $$$

    Hay Ewe
  2. Elvis70

    Elvis70 No speed traps in the sky

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    I was in stationed in the Bay Area in the Navy and used to go to that Miramar Air Show. When my kids are a bit older I need to take them to see that.
  3. v8toilet

    v8toilet Nothing to see here.

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  4. Vagabond_Explorer

    Vagabond_Explorer Relax_Unwind_Chill

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    To answer your 2 questions, "Many rich folks in Australia" and "NSW". Relatively speaking, helicopters here have never been cheaper. AUD has now substantially appreciated against the USD by over 100% over the past 10 years. I remember when 47 cents US bought 1 AUD. World-wide slow down causing prices of helos to fall. Manufacturers finding it harder to eye gouge governments because strangely, they now want value for money.
  5. Hedge36

    Hedge36 My e-penis is huge.

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    Well, after Australia screwed itself on the H2 and MRH90 deals, it's not hard to imagine why :lol3
  6. Vagabond_Explorer

    Vagabond_Explorer Relax_Unwind_Chill

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    You're right of course. We have some very low IQ folks working at Defence Procurement and Defence Material Organisation, coupled with poor work ethics and bad culture. Nonetheless, I think the days of charging for a $500 hammer or a $1.2bn Seasprite fleet that can't physically fly, may be behind us (I hope).
  7. Hedge36

    Hedge36 My e-penis is huge.

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    One can only hope. That said, having a soft spot for H2s I'd be happy to take one off the guv's hands.
  8. Vagabond_Explorer

    Vagabond_Explorer Relax_Unwind_Chill

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    Each year I am a guest lecturer at a public school, teaching their Y12 Engineering students helicopter aerodynamics. The principal is keen to get an un-flyable real helicopter (say a timex machine or an accident write off) as a teaching aid for its students and to inspire them into perhaps becoming engineers or pilots. When the Navy decided its $1.2bn cost over-run for its Seasprite fleet was unacceptable, I helped him write a letter to the Chief of Defence Force, offering $750 (that was all we could raise) for one its Seasprites that they were scrapping anyway.

    Not surprising they ignored our many follow-up calls - perhaps they were embarrassed by the sheer waste of taxpayers' dollars that went into that small fleet??
  9. Hedge36

    Hedge36 My e-penis is huge.

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    So where the hell are all those airframes? Shrinkwrapped in a dusty warehouse somewhere, or were they returned to Kaman on paper?
  10. gbranham

    gbranham Double eye

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    I think Kaman still has them and actively try to make a sale.
  11. rotorboy

    rotorboy Been here awhile

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    Hello All, Im back and addicted again. Dont know why I stopped viewing ADVrider, I did trade my moto for a mtb for a while. I think Im cured of that, looiing for a new ride.

    Spent hours today at work looking at post. Lots of cool pics!

    Wierdo: Its hot in Africa today can you send some cold rain.....

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  12. Weirdo

    Weirdo Welcome to you're "DOOM"

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    Yeah, I think I can help you out:

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    Wecome back dude. Good talking to you the other week. Bit hard with the connection but sitll good.


    Pretty slow around here these days. The 212 has the sixpac out of her and I brought the 105 home sick yesterday so we have no toys to play with.

    Might be time to go for a coffee.
  13. Bendernz

    Bendernz Torrential

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    I understand New Zealand has lined up to buy them. Apparently we don't care that the avionics box takes up so much room in the cockpit that the joysticks (or whatever they call them in helicopters) are limited in movement.

    We also haven't learned that the existing Seasprites we have are hopeless, impossible to maintain in an airworthy state, and the spares are no longer being built.

    It seems like it takes our Gummint a touch longer to learn its lesson (we have a recent history of catastrophic cock-ups with defence purchasing.

    :eek2
  14. Hedge36

    Hedge36 My e-penis is huge.

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    The problem isn't the airframe. The problem was that the AUS government specified capabilities that the airframe was never designed to support. Strip out a bunch of extraneous guff and you've got a pretty solid ASW/SAR platform that'll fit on your frigates just fine.
  15. Shadow10

    Shadow10 Been here awhile

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    This discussion reminds me of the Collins class submarine debacle.
  16. Shadow10

    Shadow10 Been here awhile

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    I'm guessing it must live at Bankstown. Even with the better exchange rate, it would still be a very expensive ride. Its nice to see one in our part of the world.
  17. Hay Ewe

    Hay Ewe Just a Wannabe

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    It seems to happen not just to these Kaman either....

    Off topic
    As for the Collins class submarines, yes, not good press, but us Aussies have 'sunk' a fair few USN ships in wargames. The common problem with the submarines I hear is the crew levels and also the dockyard person numbers - they just dont have enough people.

    Hay Ewe
  18. Vagabond_Explorer

    Vagabond_Explorer Relax_Unwind_Chill

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    That is of course, true. Confusion between blue water and grey water ops and loading the chopper up so much it can only fly with 1 pilot and 1 crew member + less than one hour's fuel, I have heard.

    Here's the anomaly. A crooked NSW politician is now being dragged through the hot coals of corruption enquiries, prosecution, embarrassment and probably will end up in jail and bankrupted for corruptly obtaining a mere $100m advantage illegally. Our citizens are up in arms about it!

    HOWEVER, our Defence Procurement and Defence Material Organisation (DMO) has cost overruns of over $100bn over the Seasprite Helicopters, MRH, Frigates Upgrades etc and so on but practically no citizen cares?! You can read the ANAO reports about it in their annual report or there are two examples of wastage documented here.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-wrong-stuff-20100308-psw6.html

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2908434.htm
  19. Hedge36

    Hedge36 My e-penis is huge.

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    Ouch. I'm just reading up on the <i>Collins</i> boat mess... seems your government runs procurement about as well as our does :lol3

    Though we really shouldn't derail this fine thread with such nonsense...
  20. Bendernz

    Bendernz Torrential

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    They fit, but are they fit?

    The maintenance and vibration issues have reduced the operational capabilities of the existing Seasprites to a level that is under what is acceptable to the Navy. That's why they are buying more - so even with the operational hours reduced to something like half what they were expected to do, the Navy will be able to have a fleet that meets its needs (simply be more than doubling the number of aricraft). Until they need spare parts of course, then they're screwed.