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Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by sureshot, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. sureshot

    sureshot n00b

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    I have a technical question, and I'm sure one of you gentlemen can answer it. I ride an 08 SE (mostly street) and had this crazy idea of putting adv axle clamps on my forks to convert it to a twin rotor set-up. Is this even possible, can it be done? And if so, how difficult, or am I just dreaming?
    Thanks all. :)
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  2. Chuckracer

    Chuckracer Jerkus Maximus

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    It probably could be done, but I would think the easier, and probably cheaper way would be to wait for a part-out and score a set of forks, front wheel and brake system.

    Maybe somebody who has converted their ADV to a single rotor set up, or somebody who wants to, would swap you.
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  3. sureshot

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    who would want a single rotor if they had two, what would the advantage be??? Also, do you think a whole front end is cheaper than buying axle clamps and calipers?? I'll look into it, thanks.
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  4. Chuckracer

    Chuckracer Jerkus Maximus

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    I know, I don't get it either, but there are a few hardcore off road guys who claim the single disc is better for dirt. Maybe, I'm not a hardcore off road guy so I guess I wouldn't know.

    I can tell you the Adventure dual set-up with it's small discs and old fashioned calipers is no king dick either. This thing will out run it's brakes.

    Maybe a 320mm disc and a good caliper/master cylinder would be a better way to go?

    Here's a thread from the stickies above for some reading...

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60821
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  5. triplenickel

    triplenickel Long timer

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    Lotsa guys who ride dirt want single, less weight and less agressive front braking. Modifying your existing single setup would probably be easiest.
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  6. sureshot

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    the end goal is to get the marchesini supermoto wheels, but then I couldn't throw the dirt ones on when I want, so I guess I'll have to be content with the single rotor. damn it, I need two bikes now.
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  7. dirtypumpkin

    dirtypumpkin "Monster Truck Bike"

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    I got a set of marchesinis with my used 07 se, plenty of braking power
    with the oversized single and brembo caliper, still an easy swap to dirt set too.:freaky

    Recently put a pilot pure on the rear, holy shit this thing hooks up.

    One of the things that attracted me to this bike, the previous owner
    threw a bunch of money at it, SM wheels, safari tank, Scotts stabilizer, etc.
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  8. Konflict Motorsports

    Konflict Motorsports KM TUNER

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    It is easier to find complete forks, also very easy to swap the lugs. I might have a set of lowers, but many guys looking to swap are out there as well. Have you looked into upgrading the rotor with a gafer or braking type setup?
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  9. mcmann

    mcmann Motorcycle ADV enthusiast

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    I have a 300mm Braking Wave Rotor on my SE (19" street wheel). A little better . . . . but I'm ready to try a 320mm rotor with a relocation/adapter bracket. I understand a LC4 320mm Super Moto rotor will fit the SE. Not sure where to find the 300mm to 320mm adapter bracket info for an SE caliper. I have tried softer Galfer pads too . . . which also helped some. I will keep my stock 300mm on my 21" wheel for trail riding.

    [​IMG]
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  10. mousitsas

    mousitsas Long timer

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    The combination 950/990adv master + 320 rotor (mine is a braking, identical looking to mcman's) + 640SM caliper (complete with carrier) works really well.

    Issues:
    1) initial bite is soft, due to larger piston area of master compared to stock
    2) carrier has to be milled only slightly to clear the disc rivets
    3) said caliper has smaller height pads, therefore a small strip of disc towards the centre is not used.

    Improvements over stock
    1) Lighter setup
    2) brake fluid does not boil due to the much larger volume of the 950/990 master. That is very evident and disconcerning once you find yourself going downhill on a twisty mountain road.
    3) Stronger braking force once you put some muscle with a very crisp feeling.

    In retrospec, the original setup is better offroad, where less braking force is needed. Current combination is light years better on the road while being pretty good offroad too, once you adjust to the different braking character. Not going back for me, but I would rather have an extension bracket to use with the original caliper to take advantage of the larger pads.
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  11. MrSandman818

    MrSandman818 INaVANdownBYtheRIVER

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    Mastro is parting out his 2011 dakar edition 990 ADV. Still has the forks last time I spoke with him. There black and I think hes asking $1000+ shipping. I already snagged his calipers though. I still have my old calipers if your interested. Hope this helps.

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  12. dabracing

    dabracing Been here awhile

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    So what you're saying is you are actually riding so fast and diving into corners so hard you're needing more front brake? Or do you just want to do it for the hell of it?
    I ride my SE pretty damn hard on the street (and dirt) and never need more than two fingers with the stock brake.
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  13. Nytro

    Nytro Been here awhile

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    I don't want to get too off topic from the OP question, but I have read and follow every thread I can find on improving the SE's street braking. Reading comments like the above makes me believe either my brakes are set up poorly, or the definition of "hard riding" needs to be agreed upon.

    I have a twelve mile twisty canyon that I ride twice a day on my daily commute and there is no way I can ride it "hard" on the SE. If I try to ride it even close to the same speed as I can on my 690 SMC I would be off the side of the road. The front brakes, for me, are woefully lacking.

    I have tried many things. If I did this every day it would help, but it's very temporary:

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322285

    I'm all ears on how to improve it.:ear
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  14. dabracing

    dabracing Been here awhile

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    .......Must be Salmon Falls Rd?

    I have done something similar to the link you provided to try and get a firmer lever, it helped, but after all was said-and-done I still ran out of adjustment on the lever knob. I ended up cutting the plastic knob off the metal adjuster because it was limiting the amount it could be threaded in. That seemed to make all the difference. I put Loctite on the threads to keep it from spinning itself in or out since the plastic knob is no longer there to keep it in a fixed location.
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  15. 68deluxe

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    This.

    Just update your profile to show where you live. I would like to lighten up my front end, easier wheelies. :evil
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  16. Nytro

    Nytro Been here awhile

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    You are correct, Sir! You must know the area.

    Interesting solution you came up with. I will look into it.

    I'm ordering up some 17's for it after the first of the year. It will be interesting to see how braking is affected.
    I would just like to know I could stop in a reasonable distance when a deer jumps out in front of me.
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  17. dirtypumpkin

    dirtypumpkin "Monster Truck Bike"

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    One of my favorite rides!
    The extra 9 miles down to peninsula campground is a hoot too.

    Cheers!:freaky
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  18. Misery Goat

    Misery Goat Positating the negative Super Moderator

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    what do 2 discs do the one doesn't?

    In my experience 1 disc can lock the front just as fast as 2. I had 2 discs on my 950ADV and one disc on my SE and can't discern a difference in my ability to stop the bike. I do recall 2 discs is more grabby than one which I don't like.
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  19. sureshot

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    It sounds like it's not worth the trouble anymore. Oh well, maybe my next epiphany will be more realistic. :D
    Thanks everyone for your input. I think I'm going to get the SM kit from ktm twins, it comes with the better brakes anyway.
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  20. Nytro

    Nytro Been here awhile

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    That's a great looking kit!

    Shouldn't have any brake troubles after that.
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