Ok so I am sure this has been hashed over and over and i know the technical differences between the f800gs and the f650gs but i am hoping to hear from those that have owned both, or either one for some help. My statistics: -male -38 -5'10", appx 31-32 inch inseam -200lbs no gear -New rider, this will actually be my first bike. I rode dirt bikes a bit as a kid but more and more I am interested in adventure touring and have fallen in love the BMW bikes. I have taken two skills courses and will soon take my exam. - Live in southern alberta and have a plethora of gravel roads, back roads, secondary highways, jeep trails, dirt tracks etc to choose from - will be wanting to venture out on to some challenging roads but most likely I will be looking at 60% highway/secondary highway paved roads, 30% gravel roads, 10% double track and light jeep trail riding Now for my issues...i think both bikes look great...however I am more drawn to the stance and the look of the f800gs...just looks a bit tougher to me....especially the front fork. secondly i will most likely be going new and here is a stupid issue, but an issue none the less..I love the black and graphite metallic color scheme...unfortunately this is not available in the f650gs for the 2012 model year and I am not too crazy about the choices for this year to be honest. i know that sounds like a silly issue but it is an issue none the less. another one is the spokes vs. cast wheel...i know the size of the spoked wheel will make off road riding better and the opposite is true with the cast...but what about flats... are either wheel more prone to flats..and is it easier/quicker for a noob to plug a wheel on a cast rim rather than patch a tube on a spoked rim. lastly limitations. if I go with the f650gs (seat height and price may be the two most contributing factors to that decision) and decide to take it say along the utah back country discovery route...is that bike going to be "in over its head" or will it function just fine and be ok...with the right tires and farkles of course. thanks everyone for your help....please don't just tell me to get a ktm, klr, drz or whatever else you think...i am just curious about these two bikes and the experiences people may have had with them.