Help- Tenere vs. Concours- which one???

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by FacePalm, Nov 25, 2012.

  1. FacePalm

    FacePalm D'oh!!!

    Oct 11, 2012
    Yes, yes, I know
    This is not your typical apples-to-apples comparison. I've been ghosting this forum for a long time, trying to soak up all the wisdom I could. As of a week ago I thought I'd made my decision (Super T) and was content to wait for the best winter deal to hit the floor.

    I'd been going back & forth between the two. I really like the ST for its go-anywhere-do-everything ability. Yamaha quality & lotsa aftermarket farkleability make it hard to beat.

    The Connie tugs me in another direction as a pure Muscle-Tourer. Fast & Sexy & Fast.

    So today I walk into my local dealer to pick up a nice Klim jacket. On the foor are the same two Teneres & and same two Connies I've been staring at for the last 4 months. All 4 are now sporting lovely red "Clearance" tags. Asking price is 12.5k for each:deal

    My background is this: Been riding almost 20 years, have owned 2 Harley big twins. No dirt experience.

    Needs are this: Will be used to commute to save on gas. 1-2 big trips per year cross-country, lotsa shorter 1-2 day trips. All 1up. My Ego likes horsepower (as a former Dodge Viper owner, I know the value of low-end grunt). My sensibility says I'll be able to do & see more with the T.

    Catch: I'm an Officer with the CHP & have been wanting to get on a motor. My department currently uses the BMW & the Connie. Getting the Connie would let me practice on the bike we use.

    So I'm stuck in a terribly nice predicament. Whatsoever shall I do?

  2. llamapacker

    llamapacker Mr. Conservative

    Oct 4, 2007
    Middle of another ThunderStorm
    No brainer, you get the Connie for work anyway, so ST for different fun when you get off duty.
  3. GrahamD

    GrahamD Long timer

    Oct 11, 2009
    Blue Mnts Ozstralia
    I was stuck in that predicament once.

    I own an S10 now.

    Basically I just wanted a bike that would work well across a good spectrum of speeds and terrain.

    Sort of made my mind up really. While I like a good mega HP bike occasionally I use the versatility way more than I would use the extra 10000KW.

    Just me though.
  4. espacef1fan

    espacef1fan Been here awhile

    Nov 28, 2007
    Clarksville, TN
    FacePalm, what bike do you currently own?
  5. bikefree

    bikefree misadventurer

    May 1, 2008
    Agreed! You can get your speed jollies at work and transition to the dual sport for recreation.
  6. advNZer?

    advNZer? Long timer

    Dec 31, 2008
    Wellington,New Zealand
    have you ridden both?The super ten will probably "feel" slow after the connie,but in the real world there wont be much difference imho_Of course those big horsepower bikes are very tourquey too
  7. Fast_Freddy

    Fast_Freddy ADV newbie

    Nov 25, 2012
    I don't know if this will give you any help in deciding. But I purchased
    a 2009 Concours 14 last Feb. In that time I have owned 3 other bikes (I am
    in search of the perfect bike) But in that same time I have put over 11K
    miles on the Concours. It is an awesome bike that is very versatile. With
    hard bags, heated, grips, ABS, Electric adjustable screen. It has the power
    to keep up with my wife on here cbr1000rr which includes the canyons. It is
    great for commuting. All around I am getting 43MPG.

    I love the Concours but all that being said I am drawn to the Super Tenere.
    I have had a few KTM's including a 950 Supermoto. I have been pure street
    up to this point but want to explore more of my state (Utah) hence the
    Super Tenere. I test road one two days ago and must say I really enjoyed
    it. I am 6'4" and 45 years old and really enjoyed the comfort of the Super
    Tenere for my legs. It was very nice to stretch my legs out. I need to stop
    about every 1.5 hours on the Concours to stretch my legs. I felt like I
    could last until the tank went dry on the ST. The seat was better on the ST
    than the Concours. The ST handled very well IMHO it felt similar to my 950

    Trying to be objective looking at the ST to get it to where I would feel
    like it would replace all the good things the Concours has. It would need a
    taller windscreen and side deflectors, The hard cases, heated grips. Next
    it would need probably another 15-20hp. I am thinking a full Arrow exhaust
    and air filter and PCV or dyno tune. Not really necessary but my Concours
    has a temperature gauge and a gear indicator which I use both.

    I think your choice is easier on the money side since you are comparing
    new to new (same price). My Concours has an extended factory warranty until
    2016 so I have no worries there. But I would need to sell my Concours to
    afford the ST I would be lucky to get $8K for mine and have to come up with
    more than $5K just for the bike and then to get it farkled to the
    equivalent of not giving anything up by swithing bikes I would need to
    spend another $3K at least. So in my opinion with you being in a different
    situation then myself I think you should go for the ST since you will
    probably be able to ride the Concours for work and down the road if you
    really like the Connie you could pick up a slightly used one for around $8K
    and have both. I think I am going to see if I can swing both myself. I just
    don't want to give up all the power of the Connie. By the way on the
    Connie. It now has about 13K on it and I have not had one issue with it.
  8. Ri-Ra

    Ri-Ra Burgeoning

    Mar 23, 2007
    In the wellspring
    You get the Tenere and don't look back. Stop thinking, just buy...
  9. Moronic

    Moronic Long timer

    May 16, 2006
    Melbourne, Australia
    Love the question, because it makes nonsense of the suggestion that people always shop for bikes in the usual marketer defined categories. For them, you are comparing a sport tourer with an adventure tourer. Different categories. Apples to oranges. Doesn't make sense. But it makes plenty of sense for you: given your needs and opportunities, these are your two best options.

    And realistically, the Concours will do gravel, and the Tenere is real-world quite quick. What you give up in either case is mainly unused potential.
  10. SpeedwayRN

    SpeedwayRN Go Spies!

    Jan 13, 2010
    The S10 will be vastly easier to work on especially when its time check the valves.
  11. JTucker

    JTucker Long timer

    Sep 27, 2008
    West By God Virginia
    Try to get a demo on both if you can. I almost bought an S10 but held off for one reason or another. I finally got a demo ride on one and was glad I did. It just wasn't what I wanted. There's nothing wrong with the bikes and lots of people like them. I like the Connie but haven't gotten to ride one. Get what you like to ride, that's what matters.
  12. dman

    dman Been here awhile

    Sep 29, 2004
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Slightly off the original topic, but I really agree with this. Back in 1983, when Japanese bike dealers still gave test rides, I owned a 2 year old CB900F and was really attracted to the new Japanese "sport" bikes .... Suzuki GS750ES and Kawasaki GPz's. But I also wanted to try a dual-sport after riding my friend's XT500. So I went into dealerships and explained that I was interested in these bikes, I got the "they're apples-and-oranges, come back when you make up your mind and we'll let you ride one of them" attitude at several dealers before I found one that got it. Ended up buying an Interceptor and XL600R (though at different dealerships). BTW, I've heard the CHP is using Concours but haven't seen any in Northern California yet.

  13. Wreckchecker

    Wreckchecker Ungeneer to broked stuff.

    Dec 18, 2008
    Damascus, MD
    The Connie is all about the motor, even if there is SO much more to the bike. Same with the FJR. Watch the true mpg as a commuter on the Connie, that you will change tires more often, and those relatively short valve inspections. How many times a year do you want to pull the bike apart?

    About a third of us Super Tenere owners are past sport tourers and while a handful kept their FJR/ST/Connie/etc, most found that the Tenere is able to multi-task extremely well.

    If you can get a test ride, try for a used bike with more than 1,500 miles and take along a 3" piece of wire with the ends stripped. For some reason, the Tenere takes that long to break in and become more lively. It's almost like the tolerances are just that tight when new. Also, a used bike is less liekly to still be set with the shifter and brake pedal awkwardly high, which is how they seem to be delivered and distracting.

    What's the wire for? Answer here:
  14. FacePalm

    FacePalm D'oh!!!

    Oct 11, 2012
    Thanks Guys,

    The dealer a few blocks from my house has two of each model on their floor. They've actually asked me if I want to test ride them. I going to set up the test rides either this week or next.

    I have about 2k in my toy account to farkle whichever one I get. If its the "T" i'm going Zega Pros, crash bars & a bash plate to start. If its the Connie I'll prolly just get a bigger windscreen & a new can...

  15. High Country Herb

    High Country Herb Adventure Connoiseur

    Apr 5, 2011
    Western Sierras
    +2 to this. No sense having two of the same bike.

    Even with "professional courtesy", you'll end up with a ticket sooner or later from someone who won't budge. The Super T will give you access to more roads when you travel, hold more luggage, and temp you with adventure instead of outright speed.

    There'll be plenty of high speed maneuvers on the job.
  16. GB

    GB . Administrator

    Aug 16, 2002
    Forget the wire, this is even quicker to install on a test ride: Bring a mini ATF fuse, it fits right into the clutch wire modular connector.. slip it in.. and go for a ride.. this unleashes the beast and lifts the power restriction in the first 3 gears..


    Riding NorCal last summer, 2 sport touring bikes and a SuperTen... we wanted to take backroads from Redding to just north of San Fran..and on the map it looked paved... it was paved on and off.. :lol3 this was the easy off pavement part:



    My buddy on the third bike taking the pics has a GSA at home.. He was kicking himself for not being on it.. Sure the ST bikes were fine, but they had to slow down, as both bikes were 2 up, and the road on which we were on for about 3 hours had lots of big pot holes and some loose gravel and sand in some sections.. They both needed a change of underwear when we got to Bodega Bay!! :lol3 I was enjoying it on the SuperTen.

    Ultimately, it comes down to your personal preference.. The Concours is a great bike, but the 15K valve inspection interval is an 8 hour job at the shop. The S10's valve inspection is at 24K, and the top end of the engine is easily accessible, the fuel tank is hinged at the rear, so it doesn't even need to be removed. Personally, I'd love to have one of each! :D
  17. burmbuster

    burmbuster Long timer

    Oct 16, 2007
    South East USA
    I had the Triumph version of both for a short bit. 2007 Sprint ST that was fabulous on the super slabs. Then I bought the T800. Thought I was gonna keep both but the wife had other ideas.:deal
    Ended up selling the Sprint and now only have the T800XC.
    The Tenere is quite a bit more versatile than the Concours. Stick with the adventure bike.
  18. motogogo66

    motogogo66 Ohio Rider

    Dec 20, 2006
    Miamisburg, Ohio
    As the owner of a 2012 Concours I would say get the S-10. I like the motor of the Connie but it seems to cause me alot of wrist pain and makes my hands go numb after a few miles. I have installed bar risers and grip puppies and it still causes me discomfort. I do have arthritis and the bike ergos do not help. That said, I have owned a DR650 dualsport in the past and was able to do long days in the saddle on it. I liked the ergos of the dualsport better and they seem to absorb crappy road conditions way better that any roadbike I have ever rode. I was looking at the S-10 also before I got the Connie but I made the mistake of thinking that my bones would feel better on a sport tourer. I did not get to testride either of them so I would take advantage of the testride offer and really ride them for a while , at least a half hour or more each, before I made a decision.
    The Connie is up for sale and not really sure what I plan on replacing it with. I ride two up so that is a big factor in my next bike. Goodluck and enjoy the free testrides.
  19. roostar

    roostar Been here awhile

    Aug 5, 2007
    SW Washington
    I've owned the C14 and now own the S10. The Connie is a fun bike when you can find a place to exploit its abilities. The problem is, normal riding and sane speeds is boring once you've experience the top end. The S10 on the other hand, is fun at any pace, more comfortable, and more versatile in nearly all situations. FWIW....I'll never regret letting the Connie go and grabbing the S10.
  20. dejr2000

    dejr2000 Been here awhile

    Sep 7, 2010
    I had a 2011 C14 and liked it but didn't love it. Now have the S10 and really love it, great bike and better for fit for my riding interests and ergos are better for me out of the box. I would have another C14 as a second bike but wouldn't give up my S10 to get one if that helps. Let us know what you decide on:evil