Help with a 2004 950 Adventure

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by Motardhead, Mar 5, 2013.

  1. Motardhead

    Motardhead Adventurer

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    Greetings Inmates!

    I have finally decided it's time for me to get a 990/950 adventure. (Previous owner of a 690SMC)

    I have found a bike and I would like to get some opinions on it from the experts.

    The bike in question is a 2004 950 Adventure in the grey color. It has 35,272 miles. Accessories include FMF Pipes, GPS Mounting Bracket, Tall Windshield, Foot Peg Extenders, Black Dog Rack, Luggage rack and luggage, Crash bars, highway pegs, power point in glove box, Bar Risers, and battery tender hookups.

    I am not sure what has been done to the engine as far as the clutch or water pump. I have yet to talk to the actual owner (it's for sale at a dealership as a favor to a family member). Almost all miles are street miles. In the pictures, bike looks very clean.

    The important part and where my main question comes...asking $6,999 but will take $6,400. This seems very high given the mileage and nada guide value of $4,625, even with all the accessories.

    I am aware of all the known issues and have read through all of ktm950.info. I just can't find many for sale to compare prices.

    Is $6,4000 a fair price? Thoughts in general on the bike? Thanks.

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  2. It'sNotTheBike

    It'sNotTheBike Banned

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    The NADA book numbers don't mean much in the case of
    bikes like a KTM 950. The NADA book is more useful
    for things like a Toyota Camry or other vehicles which
    are available in large numbers. I once had a KTM which the
    NADA book claimed was worth $4500, but it sold easily for $6000.
    At the end of the day it is supply and demand which define the value
    of things like motorcycles which were produced in small numbers.


    If the bike checks out relative to all the stuff mentioned
    in the "pre-purchase" checklist in the KTM950.info web
    page, the price is fair considering the extras, which would
    cost you well over $1000 to duplicate from what I can see in the
    photos. The bike looks very clean, and that is a definite plus considering
    how some of these bikes get used.


    If you are not competent enough as a mechanic to check out
    all the crucial items yourself, paying a tech who is familiar with the 950 to
    check the bike over thoroughly would be money well spent. If
    problems are discovered you can use those problems to negotiate the price,
    assuming the problems are not deal breakers ( for example a cracked
    crankcase where the side stand mounts would tend to be a deal breaker ).


    You can always offer them $5500 and see if they take it.

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  3. beergut

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    In Okinawa, that is a killer price. Can you get parts from the US APO/FPO?
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  4. bomose

    bomose Long timer

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    I bought one just like that 3 years ago in Dallas with 20k on it for $5500. I don't know that it's worth $6400. There was a 2007 here in Alabama with 11k for $8300 this summer.
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  5. beergut

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    I can see the pictures now, obviously its in the states. The price of these bikes is generally higher than NADA value. The market price of a bike of this caliber will always be market value, not book value. -my opinion of course.

    It looks like a decent deal to me...
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  6. Orangecicle

    Orangecicle On a "Quest"

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    I bought a June 2004 build KTM about three years ago for $6,500 delivered that included crashbars and Gobi bags. I thought I'd hit the jackpot!

    Your 2004 pictured is an early 2004 based on the silver rims. Check the HOW closely for necessary TSBs on the early bikes.

    At the end of the day, if you want a bike that is 95% identical to the original Meoni 950 that won the Dakar, buy that bike. If you want a bike that is going to not need as much maintenance in the near future, go by a new 990 at twice that price. Me, I'd rather have the 950.

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  7. Motardhead

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    Not in Okinawa anymore...need to update my profile.

    Thanks for all the opinions. I talked to the actual owner today and he said 95% of the miles are road miles. He said the "water pump update was done and clutch master cylinder was replaced and update done." All maintenance was done a Cycle Town South near Dallas which is apparently an "Orange level" shop. I'm not sure what "orange level" means but I'm assuming its good. He said people in the forums should be familiar with Curtis White, the mechanic who did all the maintenance.
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  8. Orangecicle

    Orangecicle On a "Quest"

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    "Orange" level means a shop that is certified to work on the LC8 bikes. Many shops, including my local shop here in Des Moines, only work on the dirt bikes.
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  9. RedRupert

    RedRupert Brit in the Soviet Union

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    Silver rims + black/silver-blue front mudguard = 2003 bike.
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  10. Motardhead

    Motardhead Adventurer

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    In all honesty, how difficult is this bike to wrench on? I will have to do all maintenance myself as the nearest dealership will be 7 hours away. I am fairly mechanically inclined. I have rebuilt the carbs on my old SV650, rebuilt suspension, but never done any major engine work.
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  11. beergut

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    The bike is pretty simple to work on and if you have any issues or need help with anything, this community is great.

    I don't think there is anything you could do to this bike that hasn't been documented by several people already.
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  12. pdxmotorhead

    pdxmotorhead Long timer

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    I'm just in the middle of doing a full service,, / 30K mile checkup.. In general I found it a fairly easy machine to work on,, the only thing is you have to get used to the tank removal to access stuff. Its not that bad,, and a power screwdriver is your friend.. :)

    Cheers!
    Dave
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  13. Orangecicle

    Orangecicle On a "Quest"

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    It's really not that bad. OK, this looks terrible, but it's really not that bad:

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    Generally, the bike is very well designed and can be taken apart with pretty much the little packet of tools that comes with the bike. ​
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  14. Motardhead

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    I thought the first part of 2004 had silver rims too and the black front fender too. 2004.5 is when they switched to black wheels right?

    RedRupert vs Orangecicle...who is right?
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  15. Orangecicle

    Orangecicle On a "Quest"

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    Look at the VIN, and you'll know when the bike was made. I just know that silver rims means an "early bike." That's all I know.

    EDIT: I see the disconnect now. The first 950s sold in the US were sold in 2004. These were actually the same bikes as the 2003 European bikes. I know that the silver bikes with the black and silver front fenders were some of the first bikes to make it to the US. There are a handful of issues that are unique to the first year model. Check the HOW: http://www.ktm950.info/how/ktm_950_issues.html Look for issues related to the "03 bikes."
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  16. RedRupert

    RedRupert Brit in the Soviet Union

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    I'm not sure about the format of Yankee VINs, so I won't suggest referring to that, but the engine number will be pretty reliable indicator (just above the gear lever):

    03 600 = 2003
    04 600 = 2004


    I still say silver rim + dual coloured mudguard is a 2003.

    Also, note that the silver rear rim is 4.00" rather than the 2004-onwards 4.25"

    To be 100% sure ask your KTM dealer to check on their 'KTM Dealer Net' records - there you'll be able to see the build date and the date of shipment from the factory.

    Also, remember that there is no such thing as 2004.5 or 2005.5 - you Yanks just made all stuff that up. :D
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  17. thugdog

    thugdog Druid Revisionist

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    Purchase price is the LEAST important factor to scrutinize when considering any pseudo-unfamiliar, decade-old vehicle that you plan to straddle on a busy highway or remote gravel road...imho, price doesn't even belong on the list of considerations.


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  18. DesertSurfer

    DesertSurfer Tail sprayin

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    +1000
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  19. Buggy6

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    I had a 990. HATED the efi. Sold it and bought a 950. Much, much happier with the 950:D

    I paid 6400 two years ago for my '05.5 with 13k miles, and feel it's worth every penny. Your bike has more aftermarket parts than mine. As far as price goes, it does seem just a bit high.

    Buy a motorcycle lift. Harbor freight one works good for the money.

    Good luck in your decision.

    Buggy
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  20. airwater

    airwater Been here awhile

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    With those miles the gremlins like the TSBs will largely be sorted out but a call to the dealer will allow them to run off the service history (if done by KTM) so you'll know exactly what's been done. Similar to the last poster, the carb bike is so much nicer to control IMO
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