help with Jeep Wrangler pricing

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  1. matt.the.ogre

    matt.the.ogre Fair-minded Villian

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    Hi everyone: I hope this is the right forum for this kind of question.

    I live in the SF Bay Area (California) and there's a 1992 Jeep Wrangler S (base) for sale with 193k miles for $3500.

    I did a fair bit of resale value research and I was getting used values of between $1000 and $2000 for this model, based on condition.

    The Jeep is "moderate" cosmetic condition for its age. I seems to be in "good" mechanical condition. I test drove it and it works. :-)

    Any advice on pricing? I offered $1800 and the dealer said that's so low as to not be worth negotiating.

    Craigslist link: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/ctd/2871029305.html

    Any help appreciated.
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  2. Dogscout

    Dogscout Wow why and adventure

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    What engine? 4.0 HO? Reality is that ist worth what ever someone will pay for it, but I'd not go as high as $3500.00
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  3. Rogue_Ryder

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    $1800 :rofl maybe for a parts Wrangler or one in need of a rebuild.

    Seriously if you want to know what the real market value is go on eBay and do a completed listings search. I'd say $3500 is about right for the bay area. Especially at a dealership, FWIW I looked at a similar Wrangler in New Orleans in 09 and it was the same price and the synchros were shot in the gear box.

    Jeep Wranglers and Toyota Tacomas have about the highest resale values of anything out there and when it comes to "Book" Values just throw that out the window.

    Go Private party and pay $500 less
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/2884913749.html
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  4. AkBrian

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    An S was the cheapest model 2.5L 4 cylinder back then. The hardtop and full doors were expensive options. I paid $8700 for my 1990 S hardtop , slightly used, in 1990. I still have it, but daily duty now is a 2002 TJ. 6 cylinder.
    Try this for your zipcode;

    http://www.edmunds.com/appraisal/
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  5. AkBrian

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Wrangler

    YJ (1987–1995)

    The Jeep YJ, sold as the Wrangler, replaced the much-loved but slower-selling Jeep CJ in 1987 and was built in Brampton, Ontario, Canada, until the plant closed on April 23, 1992. Production was then moved to Toledo, Ohio, using the same plant that produced the Willys Jeeps back in WWII. The American Motors Corporation (AMC) had designed the new jeep to be more comfortable on-road in an attempt to attract more daily drivers.[3] It was a new design with a wider track, slightly less ground clearance, and more comfort. The YJ also had a leaf spring suspension similar to that of the CJ; however, the springs were wider, and the YJs sported trackbars and swaybars for improved handling. Despite the new grill, the body is very similar to the CJ7's, and it is interchangeable with some minor modifications. The YJ also was given a larger windshield over the CJ. The YJs are easily identifiable due to the rectangular headlights, disliked by some Jeep aficionados, and the fact that the wiper blades rest on the windshield giving this version a distinctive look. The blades rested on the windshield due to the now wider arc of the blades to clean the larger windshield. These two changes were later removed when the TJ changes came about in 1996. 632,231 YJs were built through model year 1995, although YJs were still produced into mid-1996, bringing the total production number to 685,071 units.
    The YJ used a 2.5 L AMC 150 I4 or optional 4.2 L AMC 258 I6 until 1991. That year, a fuel-injected 180 hp (134 kW) 4.0 L AMC 242 variant replaced the 112 hp (84 kW) 4.2 L 258 CID straight-6. The NP207 transfer case was used only in 1987 and replaced by the NP231.
    The roll cage was extended in 1992 to allow for rear shoulder belts, and anti-lock brakes were added as an option the next year. An automatic transmission option for 4-cylinder Wranglers came in 1994, along with a center high-mounted stop lamp.
    In 1994, the slave cylinder on manual transmissions was moved outside of the transmission's bellhousing to allow for easier replacement, and in 1995 the Dana 30 larger U-joints were used [front axle U-joints (297x) and rear pinion U-joint (1330)]. For the 1992 model year, the YJ switched over to an electronic speedometer outmoding the cable speedos on older YJs. 1995 was the only year to have a fully galvanized frame and body.
    There were no 1996 model year Jeep Wranglers.[4] YJs produced in early 1996 were sold as 1995 model years, but featured a few new parts not seen on any earlier YJ. This included the new TJ bumpstops on the hood (rubber boots vs the traditional U-bars), reinforced tailgate hinges, and some even had rear TJ bumpers. Some also got the newly tuned I6 that was designed to run quieter in preparation for the TJ.
    Top options for YJ were the same as those offered on TJ. A Soft top with "half doors", featuring soft plastic zipper windows came standard (windows could be removed completely from these doors). Full frames doors with conventional glass windows were optional on soft-top models. Hard tops with rear wiper and defroster were optional, but came standard with full framed doors. YJ featured large mirrors with manually adjustable arms on half door models, while full framed doors received smaller adjustable mirrors with fixed arms (which were mounted further away from the door corner, compared to the larger style mirrors). Depending on year and interior color, Jeeps could be had with the top colors in black, white, tan and gray. Roll bar padding normally matched top color, with the exception of white tops...... (continues).
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    Unless someone as retro-ed a fuel injection kit on a 4.2L, get either a 2.5L or a 4.0L, or be prepared to deal with lots of vacuum hoses, etc. Even more of an issue where you live. Changing the slave cylinder means pulling the engine on pre-'94 2.5L. I'm not certain on the 4.2 or 4.0L. The 4.2L's also had the not-to-desirable Peugeot manual transmission, if I recall correctly. The 2.5L is a simple reliable engine. You won't go very quickly anywhere, but I enjoy driving it.
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  6. Denis

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    You can do way better than that. Widen your search. Much better deals out there.

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  7. jnorton1

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    I'm not sure about out there but here in Colorado wrangler resale value is crazy. I bought a 95 rio grande for $5500 drove it for two years and sold it for the same price. I've got an 07 unlimited that I've had for 2 years. I paid 20k and locally 07's are still selling anywhere from 19k to 21k
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  8. Grainbelt

    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    3500 for a twenty year old jeep with 193k miles?

    does it have a 22RE transplant? :rofl
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  9. Jeffy

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    That's about what they go for for something that's clean and runs. Where were you seeing them for $1000-2000? Were they running? Rusted out?

    I'm an original owner of a '92 S.
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  11. Jeffy

    Jeffy Hmm...

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    Problem with the older Jeeps like that is that it will need to be emission tested. Since it's older then, I think 15 years, it gets dyno'ed which if not in tip top shape could be an even bigger money pit. I'd stick with a '91 or newer for MPFI in both the 2.5L and the 4.0L. Skip the 2.5L TBI and 4.2L carb'ed. I'd also skip on modified Jeeps unless you really know what you're looking at. I can see from that YJ, the tires are contacting the flares. So that means it's been wheeled and the bumpstops are too short. And unless the gears where changed, it's probably a dog on the highway. I'd stick with something stock. At least then you'll know what you're starting off with. Also, per CA law the seller is required to have a SMOG test done within 30 days of sale. The owner pays this, not the buyer. Some owners will try to push this onto the buyer.
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  12. AkBrian

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    Not likely, but they did use the same transmission that Toyota used to use in their pickup. The AMC 2.5L didn't have the head gasket problems that the Toys did in that era. It's a solid engine.
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  13. AkBrian

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    The Renix TBI is stoneage, but it is really, really simple and darn reliable. It's more Volt-Ohm-Meter diagnostics than scan tool. An emission check will tell whether the O2 sensor or cat is bad. I would recommend one prior to purchase.
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  14. Jeffy

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    ODB1 is a lot easier to troubleshoot when problems do occur. Not to mention there are a lot more bolt-ons for the MPFI engines. Less vacuum lines on the later models as well. On the 2.5L, you'll want all the extra horses and torque's you can get which would be about 10hp more.
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  15. wibornz

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    It is funny, the jeep wrangler has some of the best resale value of any vehicle built.
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  16. AkBrian

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    There really aren't a lot of vacuum hoses on the TBI 2.5, the 4.2 carburetor is another story. My Renix has been really reliable, I've replaced 02 sensors (and the timer) and an idle motor, in the 22 years I've owned my YJ. The cat was changed under the recall. It is a NOBD :) system, you check voltages at the Dulux connector with a VOM probe. With a shop manual it's not hard, but not fall off a rock easy like on a modern OBD system. But, yes, the YJ's did just get better every year till the end, but they're all simple.
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  17. matt.the.ogre

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    Thanks everyone. Awesome info as usual. I haven't decided what to do, but your input was useful.
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