Help with oill filter removal!!!

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  1. qman8

    qman8 2015 GSA

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    That wont fit a 1200 GS!...hell you can barely get anything between the filter skin and the surrounding heat sink fins.
    Also, If i cant twist it with a 2 foot long, 1/2 inch ratchet, then I doubt these would help anyhow! (which is how I broke the filter wrench!)
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  2. qman8

    qman8 2015 GSA

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    Thanks for the input..but if it takes that kind of time and money to remove a filter...I'll take it to my dealer first!!!..let them deal with it (UNDER WARRANTY!)

    I wonder if the extreme heat the bike saw this summer had anything to do with the "welding" the gaske to the engine case. ?
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  3. qman8

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    You mean spray around the filter seal? I think its sealed enough that the soak woulndt penetrate...besides, its been soaked with motor oil on the opposite side for 5 months now!:wink:
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  4. holckster

    holckster dougholck

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    NO !!! :eek1:eek1
    Oil is flamable.
    Heat gun maybe.
    Have fire extinguisher handy.
    Good Luck
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  5. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    I clearly see enough room to get a chisel on the filter mounting flange, get to work and take it off already.

    :ddog



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  6. RTCHIEF

    RTCHIEF Been here awhile

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    Just curious, how tight was the drain plug? Jon
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  7. Mambo Dave

    Mambo Dave I cannot abide.

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    I can't figure it out, but some bikes just do this filter-sucking thing.

    On the last bike I owned I, and every owner on its own sub-forum, found that by 3,000 miles the filters we had been carefull to not overtighten became stuck on the bikes. These were fully exposed filters we could grab with an entire hand (or gloved hand, or what-ever to get extra grip on the filters), yet filters we could test-remove with one hand when newly installed were nearly impossible to remove when used.

    Is it some type of vacuum-lock? Hard to believe since the crankcase is open the minute we drain the oil out or take off the filelr cap.

    Are modern filter gaskets either swelling too much (don't look like it) or glueing the filter to the case?
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  8. qman8

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    Can you give more detail as to what you mean by "the filter mounting flange"??
    I assume you mean to remove the filter skin and start beating on the main frame part with the holes and threads???
    Thanks
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  9. qman8

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    Drain plug came out without much effort!
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  10. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    Leave the filter alone, the flange/lip of the filter closest to the engine, a little different color in that picture...chisel on that, trying to twist the filter once it crumples is wasted energy. If you just barely move it, it will come out.
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  11. qman8

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    Thanks...Although using a chisel, I'd be a bit afraid of damaging the sealing flat of that soft aluminum engine case!...Then I'd REALLY be pissed!!!!
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  12. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    Take it to the dealer.

    Thread closed.
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  13. Murkidi

    Murkidi R1100GS adict

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    take it to the dealer and pay for the removal of the oil filter, waranty wont cover that we mess around with the bike the oil and filter change are supost to be done by the dealer untill the waranty is over, but at this point is safer that take it to the dealer to avoid any damage.

    as a mechanic from the dealer here in venezuela once said to me, that they love people like us that we do every thing to our bikes beacause from time to time we mess up something and then we end up at the dealer feeling shame of what we did and spending money at their shops


    manuel....
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  14. WindSailor

    WindSailor Been here awhile

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    If it is that tight - that's what I would do...

    After my first 600 mi service at the dealership; I had to use a filter wrench and a filter tool at the same time to get mine off. Currently when I change the filter I just make it good and snug - which is less than the specified torque value...
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  15. def

    def Ginger th wonder dog

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    I have never let a dealer perform an oil change on any engine I have owned...ever. I don't trust them. An oil/filter change is a procedure that is easy to botch.

    I have removed plenty of dealer installed oil filters that have been installed waaaaaay too tight. One bike I worked on had the filter so tight that the dealer told the owner, "We changed the engine oil but the filter was OK so we didn't change it and we didn't charge you." The filter was tight to the point that the dealer didn't want to mess with it. It was obvious because the filter canister was distorted from the dealer's attempt at removal.

    There are unscrupulous dealers out there who have techs who don't know shit from first base. Your tight oil filter is likely the result of one of those techs.

    When installing an oil filter, I first remove the new filter flange gasket, inspect it, refit it to the filter groove and install the filter onto the engine. Once the flange seal contacts the engine face, 2/3 turn is all that is needed to seal the filter and insure drama free removal at the next oil change.

    The oil filters on my cars and diesel MH engine come off with gloved hands...no tools needed.
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  16. hillbillypolack

    hillbillypolack Grumpy Old Goat

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    Do I even have to ask if you were using a filter wrench?

    There's not enough purchase on the sides of the filter to get a strap wrench on, or a ChannelLock without rashing up the castings of the engine.

    Chisels? Screwdriver poked through? Jeebus.

    If you do your own oil changes, invest $15 in one of these and save yourself the agony next time.

    BTW, (JVB, chime in here), be sure to slick the gasket with a drop of oil, and torque to proper specs.

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  17. JimVonBaden

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    :nod

    11nm.

    http://www.jimvonbaden.com/R1200_24K.html

    Jim :brow
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  18. johnny80s

    johnny80s Been here awhile

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    I used it on my 07 GS. I guess I am just more talented. :)
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  19. Chat Lunatique

    Chat Lunatique aka El Gato Loco

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    +1

    I too only use the 1/2 -2/3 turn past contact on all oil filters on all my equipment. Never had removal or leak issues.

    11nm torque setting?....Only BMW is that anal to spec a torque setting on a friggin' oil filter.
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  20. JimVonBaden

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    :lol3 I don't use a torque wrench either, but since someone asked...

    Jim :brow
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