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Discussion in 'Americas' started by wheatwhacker, Apr 7, 2012.
I just found this thread... That explains your email yesterday.
I disagree. In any case, Wheatwacker already has a thread in Vendors for this. This thread seems to mostly contain testimonials ... and ALL are good.
He's clearly stated in the first post that this is a NON PROFIT operation. I doubt he's getting rich doing this.
Posting it here lets lots more "real" travelers know that such a service even exists. How many Euros (or anyone) would ever go to Vendors unless directed there? Not many. Sure, you can split hairs and report Martin to the Police ... but I see no abuse here.
This sort of helpful topic is what ADV should be about. Not Jo Momma, which seems to be the most popular forum on the site.
As far as Spam goes ... I see several Ride Reports ("the Crown Jewel" of ADV rider according to Baldy) where a few ride reports are nothing but thinly disguised promos for Tour companies, OEM's or other sponsors. Some have got away with this for YEARS ... So clearly there is bias on policing and wiggle room on the rules.
If Martin was schilling for Tourtech or BMW or pushing Dual Sport Baja Tours ... then I'd be the first to agree ... move to Vendors. But that is not the case .... and all the positive feedback from travelers proves this.
I can vouch for Martin's trust and generosity when it comes to fellow bikers. He helped me out in a pinch when the price of a west coast rental was not in the cards. The world would be a much better place with more people of Martin's character. Cheers.
It's easy for me to believe that Wheatwhacker wants to help others. If I were needing a bike in a hurry this is a guy that I would want choosing a bike for me. For what I've seen his knowledge of bikes is top notch.
I met Wheatwhacker only once, the time he accepted the offer that I extend to all ADV members here; to help riders traveling south into Mexico.
I don't have much to offer but I am fortunate to have a home and garage in a residential neighborhood about 15 miles from the Mexico border.
I had never met or spoken to Wheatwhacker before he sent me a PM asking me to watch his truck and gear as he and another rider did a week long tour into Baja. We both took a chance, and I'm glad that I was able to help him out as I met a traveler, rider, and all around good person.
There is a sense of community here, people just wanting to do the right thing, Wheatwhacker understands this. Others don't.
I knew it, someone figured it out. I do get paid. It's called karma my friend.
All I can say my friend, if your ever on the west coast in need of a wrench, a part or a place to stay your more than welcome to call me.
Maybe if someone showed you that real people existed out there willing to lend a hand your attitude would change.
It seems to be an American thing, that everybody thinks that everybody else is out for profit.
I have sheltered travelers, many more than have responded here, rescued broken down bikes, sent parts for free to people and lent my tools and garage to countless people here on ADV and couchsurfers. My payment has been fantastic karma whilst on my own trips.
Well said Martin - I don't know you, but it is the same trying to explain couchsurfing to people, some "get it", while others - who knows how they think!
I saw a sign above a shop in Singapore last year which said "Nothing is quite as precious as Trust" which seems like an appt expression for your situation.
This is so sad.... what a profit can someone make if he drives, after work, an hour to check out a bike, sends loads of emails, pics etc, check out a bike and pick it up, store it for a while etc.?
I think someone may ask a 'fee' to pay simply for the costs he makes.....
And all the effort and bike-love he invests is for FREE! Sad to read some people cannot understand this behaviour.
Matin: don't let this wreck your enthusiasm; you are a super honest guy and the travel-community should be bloody happy with guys like you!
This is a guy I would trust my full travel-budget to if needed, and that cannot be said about a lot of people!
Please advise what is the best way to contact you regarding getting a bike in the USA.
Thanks and all the best.
I'm from Ireland and need help with registering a bike in the USA. The bike is currently in Florida but I don't mind
moving it to another state if it's easier there.Eventually routing to the west coast so if anybody can help in Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, or California. Anybody willing to provide address etc in order to satisfy local DMV much appreciated.
It's nice to hear what you've been doing for others Martin. I don't understand why some people find it hard to imagine that you might just want to help out a fellow traveler. I've witnessed the same from a fellow Triumphrat member this year. He helped two separate Aussie travelers secure bikes, titles and insurance. He'd never met these guys before. Some people do nice things for others, that's all there is to it. One of the Aussies has been here for 9 months now and many of us on the forum have opened our doors to him and are glad we did. The other person was here for 8 weeks and was also invited into other forum members homes often. I guess it's a win/win situation for everyone involved.
Keep up the good work Martin.
Just found this thread, seems like a great service. I'm not sure how a non resident can get a plate here in NM but I'd be happy to help out if I knew it could be done. Of course in NM you can get a license even if you are here undocumented so it should be possible. I was looking for a thread about sharing bikes. I was loaned a bike for a cross OZ trip by a fellow ADV and in return he can borrow mine when he visits here. He hasn't show up yet but the offer always stands. This was a great example of trust. He even had his girlfriend meet me as he was out of town. Anyway "borrowing" a bike may be an alternative to buying. I'll entertain all offers
There is going to be:
Tailored to all the extra risks involved in motorcycle riding, including theft.
Thanks for the Rider Share link, sounds like an awesome idea.
My KTM 1190 Avd just sits in storage in the south west; would be nice if it made a few $$, while making someone happy. I can only fly out there a few times a year to ride.
Your'e doing gawd's work. Good on you.
BTW: if anyone from over the pond needs some help looking at a bike on the East Coast/New Jersey area, let me know.
Not a business, and not asking for a dime. As with Wheatwhacker; it's just about good karma. I also like talking to travelers from other places, so there's some personal benefit i guess. Can't promise 24hr. trailer service or nothing, but I'll do what I can.
Just a FYI wheat whacker is now working out of Ireland helping guys get going in western islands and on to mainland Europe. I think you can find him in trip planning Europe
I have relocated to Ireland where I now run a similar business.
It seems an inmate here "Tuckers" has taken up the slack.
Please contact him if you need assistance.
Great thread. Thanks for putting me in it Martin!
There are charges but as Martin says it can hardly be called a business as the money is non profit and goes right back in to the endeavor.
I spend hours and hours looking for bikes and then of course charge a small fee for completing the buy. It's not a piece of cake driving around Los Angeles to go buy a motorcycle, plus it takes two people if you are to buy the bike and ride it home. With time, gas, vehicle, wear and tear, expertise, handling, fixing, bargaining and whatever I assume Martin ends up like me and is in the hole a dollar or two. Then add in feeding and entertaining the travelers and it becomes a social event /party.....remember these folks are just starting perhaps the biggest vacation and adventure they have ever had. It's an intrusion in our daily lives that we welcome because we love motorcycles and people. Factor in that some people can be difficult or anti-social and you never know what you may get.
On a daily basis it drives my wife crazy how much time I spend with the travelers....chatting...drinking...eating..messing with bikes...pouring over maps..on and on............plus we have to live our own life with all that takes what with 8 grandchildren and a large property to take care of. Not to mention we love to ride too and re-schedule our own trips to accommodate incoming travelers.
Is it a business? NO...it's an expenses paid help......I used to do it for free without expenses.....but after the first couple of travelers you can see how much time and money it takes. Some people (most) know nothing about USA and we have to help them with EVERYTHING. At the end of the day all we have spent is TIME hopefully and all $'s spent are on the traveler.
Next one we do I will count the time. Right now I am at 1/2 hour with my next project....a traveler Martin graciously referred to me....we shall see just how much time is involved...and actual $'s for gasoline and such....it's not uncommon to drive 100 miles here to go buy a bike:
100 miles....how much a mile $1?
2 people....about 4 hours to go hundred miles and buy a bike..how much?
Store bike in garage until traveler arrives..do any repairs requested..$?
Welcome traveler, a comfortable room, hot shower, feed, drink.......$?
Spend literally hours and miles with them finding clothes and etc...$?
Have them rummage around your garage, using whatever they need..$?
Plus it goes on and on.....and we do it repetitively, for the money?....NO..because we like it...there is no money it's all gone...at the end of the day it's just a friendly interaction with hopefully other like minded people. If it was a BUSINESS we would advertise everywhere...we ONLY do ADV...that's all....we trust ADV people and it's a great community.
So instead of saying it's a business let's say we'll help you but of course you have to pay the expenses..how's that....seem fair?
I think it is really cool what you guys do for motorcycle travelers. I hope to visit wheatwhacker while in Ireland this June.