Hero Honda Diesel 400 wish it was sold here .

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by fullmetalscooter, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. DaveBall

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    The technology must be pretty old on that engine. You can get better milage out of a lot of diesel cars. I think that for the short term, diesel cars are a great idea. I truly wish that Japan and Europe car makes would bring more of their smaller diesels to market here in North America.

    Diesel bikes? Well, there are quite a few people in Europe that have done their own conversions with more modern small 500-800cc diesel engines and they are getting well over 100 MPG. Some reports I have seen, have them getting close to 150MPG on bikes that could be a replacement for big touring rigs.
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  2. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    I guess the point is you can make your own diesel out of deep fryer fat . It's not that hard to do. It just one of the thing out there that might make to market. Just like the Compressed air engine is going to be in a Europe car in 2014.
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  3. Randy

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    Yes, in many developing parts of the world, where diesel is the cheaper fuel, and where two wheeled vehicles are used as cheap forms of basic transportation by those that can't afford a car, yes it makes perfect sense. But, here in the states the opposite is true. Diesel is more expensive, and by and large, motorcycles are used primarily as recreational vehicles. I just don't see economy of operation being the driving force behind the market here. I certainly know it isn't for me.

    Both, my H-D and my GS, get better than 40mpg, not that that was a driving force in my purchasing decision, but they are also both very enjoyable to ride, and both make good usable (fun) power, and are fully capable of freeway speeds and satisfying acceleration. I'm more than willing to spend a few more dollars in fuel related expense to have the enjoyment that they bring. After all, that's why I ride them.:1drink
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  4. Randy

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    Yes, I've seen a few oddballs that do just that. It's usually readily available for free from many restaurants. But consider what would happen if it went from being just the oddballs doing it to it becoming more "normal" Do you think that there is enough "deep fat frying" going on to supply a wide scale demand for its byproduct? It's just not a viable source of fuel for the masses. But, I suppose that if one wanted to be that frugal and join in with the oddballs, then yeah, one could save a few bucks and ride cheaply. I'm a tightwad myself, but I guess I'm just not quite THAT cheap! :wink:
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    Maybe if you're driving a bus, but the motorcycles never seem to slow down.
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  6. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    Gee odd ball , There s no I want to be a that:cry , Shit I ride a scooter 300 plus days a year. Oh I m an odd ball :freaky. One day bike well go back to being everyday transport when gas get really high. Give it 10 years or so. :lol3
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  7. Randy

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    Yeah, and when that happens used fry oil will no longer be free or easy to come by. Just sayin'. In this country, for what the vast majority of buyers buy bikes for, I simply see no market or purpose for a small displacement, diesel bike.
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  8. Starkmojo

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    When asked about lane sharing in India my friend Naveen said " in India we do not have lanes but we do have sharing" so I bet the bikes keep moving through the traffic.
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  9. JMo (& piglet)

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    That engine looks very much like it's derived from the old XR400 / TRX400 quad lump?

    To my mind, an export version of this bike would be far better with the original petrol engine - then you would have a genuine 30bhp, and still get around 50 miles to the (US) gallon?

    Jx
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  10. preppypyro

    preppypyro Been here awhile

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    I was always under the impression that approx 15cc is equal to 1 hp, which means this bike would have roughly 30.

    I love diesel stuff and think a diesel bike is a neat idea, but this bike would leave me wanting something more. Turbo it so i get some real power, or something.

    I would also want it in a dual sport frame of some sort.
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    I just bought a turbo diesel Kubota tractor this year. 230 [3769 cc] cubic inches,4 valves per cylinder, 2600 rpm = 95bhp.
    That works out to 39.3 cc per hp.
    Diesels are great at putting out great torque over a good spread of rpm and doing it ecconomicly for years.What they aren't good at is constantly changing rpm as you would on a spirited bike ride. Sure a diesel will steadily pull you up the road , but while that gets work done it's not that fun.
    Another thing , I keep hearing people say turbo it ,as if that's a magic bullet. Turbo's work great, but a single is not really suitable for a turbo. The turbo needs a constant flow of exhaust gas to spin it and the air it compresses needs a constant opening to go to. A four stroke single with one exhaust pulse every 2 crankshaft rotations and 1 intake in the same amount of time is a lot of starting and stopping . Air doesn't like that.
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  13. Randy

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    This^^^
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  14. Dave in Wi

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    That's already the case in many places. Around here restaurants are starting to lock their outdoor grease containers.

    I love the sari guard. I wondered what that was.

    I also really dig the enclosed chain. I've often wondered why that was never more popular. The Yamaha XV920 is the only "modern" bike I know of in the US with one. I had several old Honda Dreams with it, generally the chains and sprockets will last the life of the bike if enclosed.
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    I would love to see more diesel bikes available. I think that they would definitely have more of a following if marketed properly. I think that right now, they are kind of in their infancy.

    There are lots of people in other countries that are building their own, and getting pretty damn good performance out of them. That is similar to when hot rod cars started. A lot of the technologies that developed from that, ended up in production vehicles, eventually. Just look at what Roger Penske and his company has done with diesels, including building some pretty quick diesel race cars and trucks. A lot of that technology is making it down to production vehicles, mainly in other countries, but it is coming. Eventually North America will embrace diesels in more cars and eventually in bikes. Once the technology trickles down to smaller engines, we will see some pretty neat rides that will compare to today's current bikes, including everything from little scooters up to full size touring bikes.

    Maybe when I retire and have the time, I will find a nice donor bike and drop in a Yanmar diesel. From what I have seen, it is currently the engine of choice in Europe.
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  17. preppypyro

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    Thanks for the clarification. Maybe 15cc= 1 hp is only for gas, as a relative term?

    I could just have it wrong, Ive never thought to do the math on it.

    For my 7.3 liter diesel truck in stock form, its 7300cc divided by 275 hp, which equals 26.5.

    A ford 6.0 diesel in stock form is 6000cc divided by 325 hp which equals 18.5.

    So I guess my 15cc per hp is a little off, but its really varied. Or did I figure that shit out wrong?

    So I guess its very different from my truck, to your tractor, to this bike? Could be close to its claimed ratings.
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  18. Cortez

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    +1 on the no chance in hell it's got 30hp without a turbo charger.
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    It isn't liquid cooled. It isn't turbocharged. I'd be shocked if it had 15hp at the wheel. It's an old school, dirty diesel engine that isn't particularly efficient. It gets less mpg's than many gasoline offerings, has to be heavier than a gasoline engine of similar size, dumps clouds of black smoke from the exhaust and has all the acceleration of a Toyota Yaris stuffed full of fat chicks.
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