Hey CA ppl, I got a title question (engine number on title)

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  1. High Country Herb

    High Country Herb Adventure Connoiseur

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    I was not aware you couldn't replace a motor with a different one. Both my pickup and muscle car motors are not original.

    I thought the only reason they tracked those serial numbers was for theft.
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  2. Jeff aka BOLT

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    I did a vin check at the dmv in Victorville... bike 2 feet up on a bike rail... made it easier for her to see the numbers... NOPE... had to come off the vehicle... ON THE GROUND. That's the kind of bullshit you expect from them.
    The phone thing is an anomaly. If they truly understood how helpful it is they would cancel the call back program immediately ! :imaposer
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    If you are in CA and did not clear this through the DMV both those vehicles are in violation of the LAW YOUNG MAN !
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  4. High Country Herb

    High Country Herb Adventure Connoiseur

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    Like I like.
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  5. Mattbastard

    Mattbastard Lazy ass

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    That is exactly why they track it, theft. Who's to say you didn't steal the motors you've currently got installed in your vehicles? They'll impound them on the spot and let you deal with the courts over the next year to prove you actually bought them.

    I fell down this whole rabbit hole worried about CARB. I learned nobody really gives a shit about that, they just want to make sure the motor isn't stolen.
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  6. Jeff aka BOLT

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    Funny thing is they can screw up and still it's your fault. I just bought a new to me 39 year old KZ650... re-collecting bikes I owned and loved as a kid. The guy I got it from took it in for a vin verification and new title. The vin on the frame and motor starts with kz650. But on the title they type kz605 for the motor number. And I will play HELL with those clowns if I ever need to prove it was their mistake, even as obvious as it is.

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  7. BDO

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    Use a DMV service company. It's $89 and a whole lot easier than getting a vin verification at the DMV. I've used a service for the last three bikes I bought out of state and it was simple. Got my tags in three days. Last time I went to the DMV, with an appoint made 6 weeks in advance it took me two hours. And when then vin verified my pickup with a bed cover they id'd as a camper - two months later had to back to the DMV to re- verify correctly and get new commercial tags.


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  8. Jeff aka BOLT

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    My money doesn't grow on your tree apparently... LOL I typically do a few vehicles at a time... not paying any desk jockey $270 to push some paperwork on my behalf.

    And why the heck would you go back for commercial tags and a HUGE weight FEE every year ? People lie their asses off to get their trucks reclassified as an RV. Dropping my commercial tags saved me almost $200 annually.
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    High Country Herb Adventure Connoiseur

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    If you get caught driving without the camper shell it will be trouble.
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  10. jonz

    jonz Miles are my mantra

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    If you look at your car/pickup registration, the motor numbers are not on the registration. On motorcycles, the engine numbers are on the registration and are required to be there. Long ago, stolen motorcycles (primarily Harleys at that time) were chopped apart (chop shops) and stolen motors were put into legal frames, and then registered. So a law was passed requiring engine numbers on motorcycle registrations. I can only speculate as to why car engine numbers were not required - my guess is ease of finding engine numbers on motorcycles vs cars since the engine is more exposed. Right before I retired, I started checking some car engine numbers to see if they were stolen - what a PITA as there is no standardization on location or accessibility. And I had to run them through an insurance database to find whether or not they came from a stolen car.
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    My RV is 100% legal. :thumb

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    Mattbastard Lazy ass

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    Holy shit where have these been all my life?!? I found a few on Google Maps and Yelp and they get rave reviews across the boards (except for cheap-asses who don't want to spring the extra few bucks for time well saved to register their KLR's). Some of them even have really good Saturday hours! Thanks man.
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  13. BDO

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    I received a letter from the DMV asking if my 'camper' was 'live in' or not.
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    BDO Been here awhile

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    My time is more valuable than wasting two hours at the DMV. I'll gladly pay $89 to avoid the trek to the DMV and the time suck involved. Besides, most of them don't know how to do a VIN Verification let alone find the magic EPA sticker.

    My last trip - which I had an appt. had to be scheduled 6 weeks out. When I arrived there were two lines OUTSIDE the front door - one for appt and one for none. Took 15 to get in the building and then I needed to get in the appt line only to get a number and wait another 45 min for it to be called.... no thanks.
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  15. jonz

    jonz Miles are my mantra

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    It is totally legal. If you look at the registration card, the two letter vehicle type will be "PM" for P-ermanent M-ount. No weight fees due :D and you get passenger car plates. I once asked DMV if you could get a one trip permit for one trip without the camper shell and was emphatically told no.
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  16. Jeff aka BOLT

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    That doesn't sound right. I don't think "camper" is even part of the terminology for classification. Bottomline you have to sign a "Statement of Facts" to get the classification under the penalty of perjury. A letter in the mail ain't gonna trump that. Not buyin it. :D

    You didn't read what I said. I said I am usually involved in a few transactions at a time. So I ain't paying $89 x 3 = ~$270. Different equation. Besides, that's what the wife is for... to go stand in line when I ain't in the mood. And she doesnt cost me $89 even on her birfday. :lol3
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  17. groop

    groop So much to ponder

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    Fullerton AAA did an out of state inspection for an airhead I bought on this forum. After that was completed, they took care of the DMV registration. The only bike I ever had to take to the CHP was a bike that had been garaged since 1976 and was long out of the system.
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