Hi-Viz believer or non believer?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Dusty1013, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. Boondox

    Boondox Travels With Barley

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    It's just another tool in the set that helps the nut between the handlebars stay safe. No one tool is as important than situational awareness.
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  2. Dusty1013

    Dusty1013 Been here awhile

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    For myself I ride in all kinds of weather so I figured it can't hurt. I have access to but don't own a car. I ride 90% of the time with HD riders so I'm the out of place one riding in back on a BMW or Triumph but they don't mind as far as I know of course. But I have come across some scoffing at the hi-viz. One guy asked "What's up with the Beemer guys wearing Hi-viz?" I thought it was obvious so I didn't really have a profound answer. Like I said in the opening, wear a ninja suit if that's what you are into. Most people don't wear it and thought I'd get some input from the inmates. Nothing helps if you are not attentive and don't keep trying to improve your riding skills to become the best rider you can be.
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  3. steelerider

    steelerider Southafricanamerican

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    Ask your buddy "what's up with all the Harley riders dressing up like pirates?"

    *ducks behind wall*
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  4. wanderlost

    wanderlost Been here awhile

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    I have a hi viz darien which I still wear when I want a Darien jacket, but mostly wear a black road crafter with yellow ballistics. Lstely I have personally found my eye noticing Hi Viz helmets, maybe because they sit about the roofline of cars, or because they are moving as people turn their heads.

    I think my next helmet will be Hi Viz and I'll get whatever jacket I want. That way when off the bike I don't look like a fireman wannabe or a spacemen, but MAY catch some extra attention on the road.

    Paul
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  5. Dusty1013

    Dusty1013 Been here awhile

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    Well my Harley riding buddy doesn't really care what I ride or wear but it was some guy he knew that we were riding with. Of course I always think of something clever I could have said after the fact.

    I bought a Schuberth helmet this summer and couldn't really think of a good reason not to get the hi-viz so that's what I got. I would like to think since it's higher up and not behind the windshield and the like it might help.
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  6. godwinmt

    godwinmt They call me Crash

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    As others have said, wearing Hi Viz does not make you immune to morons, but it doesn't cure everything. As dorky as some may think it looks, there was a drastic reduction in the number of left-turners and people pulling out in front of me when I did switch to the Hi Viz from cool stealth black, but as I said, it doesn't cure everything...I've got an 18" titanium rod and a bone graft in my left leg to prove it. The driver of the truck did not see me despite a Hi Viz Kilimanjaro and helmet.

    The key thing though is that it is another tool. Riding a bike is inherently dangerous...we all know this despite what others say, and it is your job as a rider to evaluate that risk, and if you choose, mitigate the risk with the tools available to you. To some, they are perfectly comfortable with the risk associated with riding completely unprotected. For others, they may need to dress up like a high viz Michelin man in a before throwing a leg over. Most of us are in the middle. As I'm already wearing at-least a jacket and helmet when I ride, choosing something very visible that will reduce (but not eliminate) the risk of me not making it home makes perfect sense.

    -M
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  7. dwoodward

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    http://www.bmj.com/content/328/7444/857

    Results
    Crash related injuries occurred mainly in urban zones with 50 km/h speed limit (66%), during the day (63%), and in fine weather (72%). After adjustment for potential confounders, drivers wearing any reflective or fluorescent clothing had a 37% lower risk (multivariate odds ratio 0.63, 95% confidence interval 0.42 to 0.94) than other drivers. Compared with wearing a black helmet, use of a white helmet was associated with a 24% lower risk (multivariate odds ratio 0.76, 0.57 to 0.99). Self reported light coloured helmet versus dark coloured helmet was associated with a 19% lower risk. Three quarters of motorcycle riders had their headlight turned on during the day, and this was associated with a 27% lower risk (multivariate odds ratio 0.73, 0.53 to 1.00). No association occurred between risk and the frontal colour of drivers' clothing or motorcycle. If these odds ratios are unconfounded, the population attributable risks are 33% for wearing no reflective or fluorescent clothing, 18% for a non-white helmet, 11% for a dark coloured helmet, and 7% for no daytime headlight operation.

    Conclusions

    Low conspicuity may increase the risk of motorcycle crash related injury. Increasing the use of reflective or fluorescent clothing, white or light coloured helmets, and daytime headlights are simple, cheap interventions that could considerably reduce motorcycle crash related injury and death.
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  8. crawfcj

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    I added a hi-viz vest to my gear one year ago and I have noticed a big difference, particularly in night riding on urban interstate highways. Close tailgating has become rare. I also have high conspicuity tape all over my helmet and the combination is pretty striking from behind. I no longer feel comfortable without it. While it is only one factor in my safety plan, whatever lowers my risk is likely to keep me riding longer!
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  9. DC2wheels

    DC2wheels Castle Anthrax troll

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    OK, we are all more aware of MC riders in general since we ride ourselves

    BUT

    A couple years ago I was on a very long one day ride with a couple other guys.
    One of the other riders wore Hi-viz helmet and jacket. When I was behind the Hi-viz rider, he was very, VERY visible.

    I was impressed.

    A couple of seasons later, this is the new Hi-viz me: not from front or rear but you get the idea. (btw, thanks for the picture Shogs :D)

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    So I ask- what's more visible/ eye-catching? The Hi-viz? The white/black bike? Or am I just the same as any other MC rider?

    DW and I are asking..............
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  10. 390beretta

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    I wear a tourmaster Hi-Vis and think it helps me be seen and reduce tailgating, but I "know" it helps people in stores I frequent remember me.:D
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  11. Kommando

    Kommando Long timer

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    Also important...You look like a cop in that getup on that bike....with cop brakes, cop motor, cop suspension...

    :lol3
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  12. Kommando

    Kommando Long timer

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    I wear hi-viz jackets and shirts. I take off the jacket and have a bright orange or green reflective shirt under my body armor. My hydration pack is a bright green with reflective too. I also put LED strips and fog lights on my bikes, as well as strips of red/white DOT safety tape on the sides and rear of my topcase.

    I still ride like I'm invisible, put better mirrors on my bikes and use them, leave my bike in gear when stopped at lights, point my bike between the cars ahead of me at lights, and rest my thumb on the horn while covering/using the clutch and brakes when something looks sketchy.
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  13. Idle

    Idle Been here awhile

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    That study may have not factored in the fact that riders who choose to wear dark helmets and clothing may not ride nearly as cautious and have more accidents than those who wear ATHVGATT.

    Sorry if that was mentioned already, I didn't read the whole thread. (on break right now)
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  14. RedShark

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    Wait, what ?

    Someone wearing bright gear to PASSIVELY increase their chances to go home to their family is the SAME THING as somebody actively making a racket while stationary to attract attention like a precocious child ?

    WTF ?

    Your choice:

    1) Somebody with open pipes racks the tach outside your open bedroom window for 5 minutes at random every hour all night long
    or
    2) A guy with fluorescent clothing rides around the block every half hour on a stock BMW.

    One can be overcome by averting your eyes, the other inspires hatred toward all motorcyclists - and you don't see a difference ? really ?

    For the record, I don't own any Hi-Viz gear, but your statement is one of the sillier things I've read in awhile.
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  15. chippertheripper

    chippertheripper motorcycle junkie

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    I don't place a ton of stock in it, but I think anything helps. I ride as defensively as I care to at the given moment, stay aware of my surroundings, and enjoy what I can.
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  16. ragtoplvr

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    now that florescent green is a fashion color, and common, it does not work as well. When I was the only one, worked great. Also it fades horribly. I am back to silver and grey with reflective trim.

    Looks better, and works as well.

    Rod
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  17. Hesaid

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    While agreeing with what so many have already said, about how nothing will make a moron notice you, I do think it helps with the non-morons. I can say that since Shesaid and I are almost always riding together, I can notice a big difference in her visibility between when she's wearing Hi-Viz vs. not. A quick check in the mirror to make sure she's still back there is so much quicker when she is wearing the Hi-Viz. The while helmet vs. black is also quite noticeable. While it is true that I'm specifically looking for a motorcyclist in these instances, I feel it would be foolish to overlook just how much more visible said motorcyclist can be depending on gear.

    But mostly, we just ride roads where there isn't anyone to see us.

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    She's much more visible here:
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    Than she is here:
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    She blends right in with the road surface, the guardrail, and the surrounding rocks is the grey.

    MV
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  18. alii1959

    alii1959 Been here awhile

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    I am a firm believer. I went from a black/silver riding jacket to hi-viz and noticed right away that people were giving me more room.

    In addition, when I bought a helmet I purchased an ugly yellow one....gets lots of comments. That means they noticed.

    Further, when riding back from Tenn. summer before last, I was eating at Burger King and a trucker came up to me and thanked me for wearing such high visibility gear. He said that he might not have seen me if I hadn't been so colorful. That was enough of an endorsement to me.

    I am an HD rider and do stick out like a sore thumb. But, two of my hi-viz jackets are HD day-glo orange/black. Man are they obnoxious!!!

    I routinely get lots of comments about my gear. But, I have never had anyone treat me weird about wearing it. Sure, I don't look like a badass, but I never was one really anyway. Hard for a Science Teacher to be a bad ass....unless he is breaking bad.
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  19. Balootraveler

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    I think it helps some, it might also give my family's lawyer more ammo for more money for my family. :cry:cry:cry
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  20. filmfan

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    I wear a hi-viz Olympia jacket. I don't expect miracles, and I certainly don't rely on it. But if it gives me a slight edge, I'll take it.

    I got over caring about other peoples opinions of any task-oriented garb I might wear a long time ago, so what someone might think of it in terms of looks doesn't bother me.

    If I'm doing errands, I usually just wear it into whatever store, I've yet to get any comments, aside from the "isn't that hot?" once when it was about 85 out.

    OTH, black absorbs too much heat, IMHO, so for colors I don't understand the logic of that would be high on the list.
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