Hi-Viz believer or non believer?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Dusty1013, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. cycleman2

    cycleman2 Been here awhile

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    I wear a HV vest and it does make you more noticeable, especially in rain. An all black or dark coloured bike with a dark coloured rider does blend into the background and they are not immediately noticeable and unless they are coming straight at you can be hard to pick out.

    We all spend the bucks on our bikes and the $ 50. or so for a HV vest is well worth the investment. Visibility is only part of the game when riding a motorcycle but it is part of the equation in trying to stay alive out there. Every little bit helps.

    As one of the previous pictures showed, there were 2 people wearing HV and you can immediately pick them out of the crowd.
  2. Bar None

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    Good point with your photo.
    I wear hi-viz but I still pretend that i am invisible to others on the road.
  3. PlainClothesHippy

    PlainClothesHippy Riding an ugly bike.

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    ^^^This above all else. Ride strategically. Adjust the strategy moment to moment as needed.^^^

    My thoughts on hi-vis are that while it is no guarantee of being seen by everyone, it is helpful with those who are looking, not the clueless, and there will always be the clueless. It is a tool to be used, but not relied on.

    One point not mentioned in the the thread is the nature of camouflage and how it works. The key to effective camo is blending into the background, but a misconception is that the colors are the most important aspect, when the real camo effect relies primarily on breaking up the outline of the person or thing you wish to hide. Reverse the principle to be seen, and you will want to present an unbroken outline. A very broken up and busy hi-vis jacket with patches of black, hi-viis green, etc will not be as effective as a solid h-vis green or possibly even a solid other less visible color like red or blue and in some cases even black. It is definitely something to factor into the equation.

    Good thread, good thought provoking info all around.
  4. randyo

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    :rofl

    when 99.98% of riders wear yellow, I will consider that
  5. Ironman606

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    That picture doesn't prove HI. Viz is more visible but that contrast is more visible.... If I were to take a picture of a bunch of guys in HI viz and only a few guys in black, the ones in black would stick out... Hi viz isn't a total solution to being seen, can't argue it's doesn't help, but as been said it's no substitute for situational awareness.
  6. Skyshadow

    Skyshadow Banned

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    Hi vis gives me a headache, induces rage in others and does nothing for safety in my expereince. Sorry I would rather wear jeans and I t-shirt than that crap. So...yeah nay for hi vis
  7. windmill

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    Excellent point,

    Large areas of a solid color are way more visible than random patterns of light and dark. I have observed that riding gear with just some high-viz sections is far less noticeable than gear that is a solid non high-viz color.

    Before the days of radar, it was common for the military to use "dazzle camouflage" on large items such as ships and aircraft. The effect was achieved by using bright busy patterns to make it difficult to judge the objects distance, speed, and direction of travel.

    How color is used is way more important than what color is used.

    Even high-viz can be camouflage,
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    If I were to choose a color for the best contrast in the most environments I would go with a solid blue as the other high-viz colors have reached the saturation points in many places.
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  8. bearcat1

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    Generally I don't think hi-viz hurts, every little thing can help to some degree. However, I would not be lulled into a false sense of security wearing it. I had a lime green & black jacket and had some close calls with it on, probably on par with my black and gray jacket.

    That was an interesting point made by windmill where some hi-viz blends in with the environment.
  9. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    What's being done here is to take hi-viz out of the context of safe riding. Hi-viz is only one part of safety on the road. By itself, it means nothing if the rider is so incompetent that he puts himself in a dangerous situation. Things like auxiliary lighting and reflective material also help, but the most important safety factor is the rider's proficiency. If a rider constantly finds himself in bad situations, he has nobody to blame but himself, and it's because he's doing it wrong. Don't blame the other guy because you gave him the opportunity to shit on you.
  10. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    Noticeable difference in how much space people give me when I'm wearing hi-viz versus not. Of course, it's not a panacea for protecting againist inattentive motorists - but it DEFINITELY helps, and I'll take all the help I can get.

    Almost ran over a cruiser on the interstate not long ago - At night, away from street lights, riding close to the shoulder on a black bike, wearing black leathers, black helmet, nothing reflective on rider or bike. All I could see was one dim red light, low to the ground. It did not register with me until I was less than fifty feet from him. Oh yeah, he was riding at no more than 50 mph in a 60 or 70 zone. Twat did not need to be wearing flourescent green, but if he at least had something other than black it might save his life.
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    ^^Btdt

    Except my situation it was a sport bike and the led tail light blended in with the lights on the tractor-trailer he was tailgating.
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    ...or the taillight is blacked out to be "stylish".

    :huh
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    I saw some little twinkly light in the traffic ahead, no clue what it was. Got closer, could see it twinkling once in a while, still no clue. Turned out to be a bike with the little LED turn signals, about an inch outboard of the tiny LED tail light, whenever he turned the signal on it twinkled, but I never could see that it was anything like indicating a turn, even from about thirty feet away..
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    I had one of those. My buddies behind me said the same as you.
    Unless you have a resistor on the led tail light it will blink so fast that is doesn't do any good.
    I went back to regular bulbs.
  15. NYTrainer

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    I always thought the HiViz gear looked stupid & was a waste, until a riding buddy got a jacket with HiViz panels. As I rode in front of him I could not believe how he stood out in my mirrors. (His bike, pants & helmet are black.)

    I then bought a HiViz helmet & do not care how stupid I look, as long as those who see me while making the comments, actually see me!

    If only one driver sees me & does not cut me off or pull out in front of me, I think it is worth it.
  16. anotherguy

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    I say it can't hurt but seeing as the idiots pull in front of dump trucks daily your safety is still in your hands only.
  17. windmill

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    Yes, high-vis can complement good roadcraft, but......

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    .......It may not when you need it most.

    You should never let high-viz make a difference. :deal
  18. Dauntless

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    I have had people pull right in front of me when I was wearing a hi-viz helmet and also had Motolights on the bike. It doesn't hurt to wear hi-viz but I wouldn't depend on it. It might be useful if you go down without anybody seeing the actual accident. If you are laying in the median or in the weeds or woods, someone might notice and be curious enough to stop. Or if you are laying in the road, I'm sure you will be easier to avoid if the driver can actually see you.
  19. ttpete

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    So, you're doomed no matter what you do. If I had an attitude like that, I'd quit riding.
  20. Dauntless

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    I don't have a defeatist attitude. I was just stating the facts as they pertained to my near-hits. I don't use my hi-viz helmet anymore because it turned out to be an inferior helmet in other aspects. I now wear a white, top of the line Shoei.