Hi-Viz believer or non believer?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Dusty1013, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. woofer2609

    woofer2609 Been here awhile

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    I'll take any advantage I can.
    I mean with my Bohn Underarmour and Leatt body armour, adding an Olympia safety vest and Neon Green Exo 400 helmet only slightly ups the dork quotient. That said, I still ride as if no one can see me. To each their own, but I feel like if someone sees me then they'll make a mental post-it note that there is a more vulnerable road user out there. I know some people are impervious.

    I teach high school, and it's interesting that some of the teenagers say "Hey, that's a cool helmet!" when I wear my neon helmet, but never hear a word when I wear my white and blue MX helmet.

    Just scan your eye over this page, and your eye is attracted to anything yellow.:D
  2. chazbird

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    Fluorescent colors like fluorescent traffic orange and fluorescent green do not occur in the natural world so humans will more likely, actually perhaps certainly, notice them, certainly so over more naturally occurring hues. I can detect a fluorescent helmet in crowded traffic two or more blocks away.
  3. hippiebrian

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    While the reflective stripes help at night, I'm a bit dubious about the colors during the day. If I can see the driver in her/his side or rear view mirrors, they can see me. If I can't see them, I know they can't see me.

    Could be wrong, but there's no hard numbers on the issue. I ride where I'm seen (i.e. on the right side of the left lane on the freeway, etc) and usually have no problems, but make sure I'm prepared if they happen.
  4. tommysmothers

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  6. ShineySideUp

    ShineySideUp Been here awhile

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    I wear my hi viz green vest with reflective strips at night and in the rain.

    I also have some flame style reflective decals on my helmet. Forgot where I bought them it has been so long.

    I also have some reflective tape on the back of my bike.

    Hopefully it all helps.
  7. fullmonte

    fullmonte Reformed Kneedragger

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    I stopped giving a shit what other people think about my clothing choices back in the tenth grade.:deal Most of my moto gear has hi viz colors. I always wear bright orange or yellow when on the (road)bicycle too.
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  9. tkent02

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    I get this too. On my wife's DR 200 I get no respect, they see me and pull out as if they don't care, that little thing can't do any damage. On the bigger bikes it happens much less often. It's not a visibility thing, her bike is bright yellow, the others are mostly black or dark colors. Even the taller dirt bikes with their shitty headlights and all covered with mud are much better in this regard.
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  11. dwoodward

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    Yeah, not like someone posted a link to actual research earlier in the thread or anything.

    Recent study posted elsewhere notes that humans will "see" what they expect to see; motorcycles being less common than cars, they look for (and see) cars. Also, because a motorcycle is narrow (and a DR200 narrower than an ST1300, for example) it's harder for drivers to determine distance and speed than a car.

    Break up the pattern and make sure you don't blend into the cars around you. Sure, you can weave (Hi, DAKEZ) which helps them determine distance (and maybe speed) but that takes some attention on your part- like a headlight, your hi-viz is always on and requires no further action on your part.

    Oh, and put yourself where they can see you. If I had a buck for every time I saw someone tailgating a delivery truck down a busy street... Doesn't matter what color you wear if you're hiding.

    Is everyone going to see you? No- and it's foolish to think so. That's not a valid argument for making it harder to be seen.

    Finally- agree with ttpete. If you keep finding yourself having problems with near-misses, figure out what the common element is... :deal
  12. dwoodward

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    Probably sums up my entire post, eh?
  13. JohnCW

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    I had an experience today which changed my mind on hi-viz. I now believe it can lead to accidents.

    Riding to work today on a six lane major arterial road, coming toward me is a guy on a Suzuki gxsr. Sees me on my little commuter with full yellow jacket and decides he'll impress the dork with a wheelie. Manages to immediately loft it near complete vertical, rips the throttle shut to stop going completely backward, bike crash back down and he just manages to keep it all together after swerving completely out of control across three lanes.

    He sure did make an impression on the dork.

    So if I hadn't been wearing a yellow jacket he probably wouldn't have nearly written himself off. Hi-viz can be dangerous..........
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    He reminds me of The Mule in Isaac Asimov's Foundation series.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule_(Foundation)

    Essentially, mutations and intentional deviants are hard to account for statistically.

    On the other hand, maybe you've hit on a strategy for weeding out squids...
  15. DaLunk

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    Statistics also need to take into account that no one says, "oh yeah, I saw that bike and decided, heck, I can make it anyway," after the accident.

    My first bike was totaled when I was riding up a street in town, doing the legal limit with my headlight on and wearing a white helmet. There were no cars in front of me. Up the street a Pontiac wagon put on his left turn signal and stopped to wait to make the turn. He was stopped long enough to stack three cars behind him. When I reached the intersection he turned left and I did a graceful swan dive over his car, leaving my bike behind me in the side of the car.

    He told the officer that he never saw me. So why did he stop and wait with no traffic coming the other way, long enough to stack three cars? Oh, he saw me from the start and decided to go anyway. Witnesses at the scene nailed him to the wall with their accounts.

    Being seen and being regarded as something to be concerned about are two different things, whether or not you are hi-vis.

    Just my thoughts.
  16. windmill

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    That is so wrong on so many levels, I can't believe you would post it.
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    What, do you have hi-viz gear that you have to turn on and/or adjust while riding?

    He didn't say you shouldn't also actively do things to make your presence known, as well as riding in such a manner to avoid putting yourself in a bad situation. He was just pointing out that hi-viz gear doesn't require any effort to implement, other than putting it on before you get on the bike.
  18. ttpete

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    I think that there are those who have a problem with the concept of conspicuity. There is no single answer to being seen. Every individual thing done to be conspicuous is only part of the total answer.

    And then we have those who think that using color and light makes them look like a wimp or a weenie.
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  20. popscycle

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    Being seen as something out of the ordinary (i.e., conspicuous) can certainly get you fixated upon, which can be detrimental to your health.