High Tech Fuse Block

Discussion in 'Vendors' started by craftycoder, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. tileman

    tileman Been here awhile

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    On adventurerider in OZ, hiluxnet (toyota hilux forum) aswell.
  2. tileman

    tileman Been here awhile

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    Was thinking of linking to the Horizons Unlimited forum but since it may be considered "commercial" I don't know. Since they have a 4 wheeled forum maybe its a good place to start a thread crafty.
  3. draco_1967

    draco_1967 Been here awhile

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    I love this idea! I posted it on the Nighthawk and NC700 forums.


    Sent from a Speak & Spell wired to a record player, a saw blade, a fork, and an umbrella.
  4. Trickie Dick

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    I posted link on Spyderlovers forum. Over 12k members. Hope this helps.
  5. VFR

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    I'm always on ST-Owners & haven't seen a post about this on there. I posted on a thread about a similar fuse block referencing this one. Guess I'll just have to look harder.....:lol3
  6. sierra_victor

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    Hey Crafty you seem to be gitting some bad input from the people on "TriumphRat.net" . Only 4 replys so far maybe some people just don't like change.

    Salty.
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    yosso We gotta go now.

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  8. Texcollect

    Texcollect Adventurer wannabe

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  9. craftycoder

    craftycoder Motobrain PDU

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    I'm the last person who should be doing it. Anyone else can post a thread about a cool bit a kit EXCEPT for the guy who makes it. If you can post about a motorcycle or GPS you like, then you can post about this. You can post about how stupid it is and how you would never introduce this level of complexity to such a vital system OR you can post about how interesting this new technology promises to be. That is your call.

    I ran into this problem with dualsportmaps.com as well. I had a thread here detailing the development of the site and collaborating with inmates on new features and such, much like this one. Even here at ADV after about 8 months (and dozens of pages) on the Laying Down Tracks forum a Mod decided to push it to Vendor because he thought somehow I must be making money on it when it is, in fact, free to use and costs about $18K a year to keep online for all y'all to use. I'm still sore about that but his point was that he couldn't tell the difference between a site that is a public utility like DSM and one that is for profit and so it had to go. I couldn't really argue, all I could do is vote with my feet and kill the thread.
  10. craftycoder

    craftycoder Motobrain PDU

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    A lot of people are ultra conservative when it comes to reliability on their motorcycles. We are exposed outside the cage so that is not a bad policy, really. Ignorance about the reliability of semiconductors is also common. One of the microcontrollers I am using in this design was introduced in May of 1980. That may sound old, and it is, but that also implies reliable. If that chip design sucked it would have been replaced a generation ago.

    The PDU is designed to be robust. These are EXACTLY the kinds of systems used in places like satellites that require ULTRA reliability. If you used fuses in space, who is going to change it? No one! So, when someone makes a snarky comment about reliability, perhaps mention that billion dollar satellites use this exact same kind of tech because when you ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY need a circuit to be reliable in the long term, you want to use electronics. I do not want to suggest that this particular PDU was designed with space level reliability in mind, because it wasn't. This is a terrestrial only device. Still, I have high expectations of a long a glorious service life. There are NO parts in this design that are expected to wear out. It will take a while to get skeptics to come to our side of the fence. Some never will. Different strokes for different folks as they say.
  11. craftycoder

    craftycoder Motobrain PDU

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    The website traffic continues to prove you guys are out there telling your people. Thanks so much!! :clap
  12. patobravo

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    I heard the Husky Terra is using solid state circuit breakers, if true this is the first I've heard of solid state breakers being used by the OEM on a bike I'm actually interested in, it's a long time in coming. BTW, not too long ago to achieve the required reliability the fusing used in remote sensing instruments (LANDSAT, GOES...) was two fuses , one with a series diode and the other by itself in parallel with the fuse/diode combo. This was because fuses actually wear with use so if the first fuse blew due to wear the second one would take over, albeit at one diode drop less voltage. This still surprises me to this day. That and all decoupling caps were actually two in series since the typical failure mechanism was a short, if one croaked it wouldn't short the whole rail.
  13. craftycoder

    craftycoder Motobrain PDU

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    That last comment about the caps is great idea I had not considered. Tantalum caps do tend to short if they fail. I'll look into this as a design mod.
  14. Texcollect

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    I recently bought a lighting controller to control my ADVMonster LEDs that uses a single signal wire to set 3 different illumination levels. Connect it to +12 V you get level 1, connect it to ground you get level 2 and disconnect it you get level 3. Is this sort of functionality possible with your unit?
  15. craftycoder

    craftycoder Motobrain PDU

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    Yep, that is what the Inputs do. Except that the outcome is completely up to you. Watch the video about the input programming.
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    craftycoder Motobrain PDU

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  17. dwoodward

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    I haven't seen this- I'm sure you'll feel free to prove me wrong...

    One feature I'd like at some round of updates is warning if system drops below a defined point. That might be a hardware change, though (tri-color LED, on a lead perhaps, that doesn't require any BT device to see)

    Another is priority (0-8) of automagic shutdown of circuits to attempt to maintain system voltage. ( 8 means "shut this off first", 7 means "shut this off next", 0 means "never shut this off automatically")

    I may be selling my KLR, but the elderly BMW replacing it doesn't have much more in the way of alternator capacity...
  18. craftycoder

    craftycoder Motobrain PDU

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    I have drivers for a couple multi color LEDs on the board. I just could not conceive of a good enough use case to pull them off the board and add the significant cost to the project for a LED pigtail. I couldn't find a standardized waterproof panel mount LED on a long wire with a waterproof connector. It's the little details that seriously add up.

    The automagic priority stuff is essentially built in. Right now, I've got it setup for system wide over current conditions allowing you to prioritize which circuits shut off. Assume you want to allow the PDU to source no more than 40A, you can tell it that circuit 6 and then 4 and then 8 and then 1 need to shut off until it falls below 40A. It wouldn't be a big deal to do the same thing for voltage as well. Everything is in place it would essentially be a modest firmware change. I already allow you to set a low voltage point. Currently. if you fall below that number I buzz your phone. If you fall below that I could trigger the same logic to shut down circuits as the over-current shutdown.

  19. dwoodward

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    Maybe control for a circuit that came on when voltage exceeded certain limits- say outside 11.5-15.0VDC- On a bike, it could turn on a warning lamp; on a boat or in an RV, it could cause a generator to start...

    Of course I'm sure there are already devices to do that, but since you're building a Swiiss Army Gatling Gun here... :D

    Pushback on the LDRider list was similar to others- that it's a lot of technology to fail, small company so obvioiusly not experienced, and if it failed, fear, pain, death, etc.

    In reality, someone wouldn't get their certificate or possibly lose points in a rally while they worked around it- just as if what should be a rock-simple final drive design from a major European manufacturer were to shit the bed- which not only happens with dismaying frequency, but the resulting loss of gear oil and/or actual FIRE could be, in fact, life threatening. Yet BMW is still popular with that crowd. Go figure.
  20. craftycoder

    craftycoder Motobrain PDU

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    That is a good idea. Allowing circuits to turn on as a result of a low voltage condition. I think that one is going into the design.