Highland Motors

Discussion in 'Moto Bellissima: All Other Dualsports' started by 805gregg, Apr 12, 2006.

  1. Zecatfish

    Zecatfish XTique Rider

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    ATK was at the Indy bike show, and guess what they had on display.
    Highlands with ATK decals. Spose to be prototypes for a 2009 model ATK. Includes the 450MX and 950. If its not vaporware.
    Posted on http://atkmotorsports.com/atkbb/viewtopic.php?t=690

    By Jeff@tireballs.
  2. John in Leeds

    John in Leeds Been here awhile

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    A new frame will allow the latest induction system to be used that works properly and gives more power. Even access to plugs and valve clearance service. About time that this engine got used properly. I won't hold my breath though.

    :augie
  3. John in Leeds

    John in Leeds Been here awhile

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    KTM 990 Adventure
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    Not everyone gets the chance to try one of these back to back with a <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1:place>Highland</st1:place></st1:City>, so how did it go? Remember the Outback is a couple of years out of date (manufactured ’05) but it’s an interesting comparison anyway.
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    First impressions of the 990 – how sophisticated, reasonable seat height for 18r and 21f tyres, same Pirelli Scorpions as the <st1:City><st1:place>Highland</st1:place></st1:City>. Twin tanks, why? Lots of plastic, wouldn’t want to drop it. Starts first touch from cold and idles cleanly.
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    All controls where you expect them, easy clutch, quiet gear change. No vibes, beautiful, first impression as you take off, feels like a Honda Africa.
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    Suspension works well, no clattering over bumps and pot holes, steers evenly.
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    Opening up no immediate power until 4000 and an annoying hunting at steady speed and low throttle, hmm.
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    Open up, power in plenty really gets up and goes as the revs rise, not manic but a nice well sorted linear progression to 9000 – didn’t go over that as only just over 1000 miles on odometer. Red line to just over 9500.
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    Really good aerodynamics – despite a windy, blustering day went up to 100 nice and stable. Then up to 120 in top but seemed to run out of puff in the wind but very creditable for such a high bike. For comparison the <st1:City><st1:place>Highland</st1:place></st1:City> struggled to 110 on the same piece of road 30 minutes later (new engine running in but I don’t expect much more).
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    Fuel light came on and put in £5 to get back in left hand tank. Shit fuel light stayed on. Went off some 5 minutes later when (I think) fuel flowed into the right hand tank with the sender unit. A posh bike like this should have a fuel gauge.
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    So handling was smooth and predictable, no surprises, but no real chucking about (it’s not my bike).
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    Brakes twin discs on front enough power but would like more feel. Rear did some funny stuff as though some thing was catching particularly when layed over in low speed turn control situation, strange, it looked ok and had nothing loose. (later: wonder if it was the abs as it felt like it was pushing back)
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    Good looking bike, instruments clear and easy to read. But I look round and I wonder how long all the panels and strange placed ancillaries would survive in a rugged adventure environment.
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    Servicing every 4000 miles with cam check every 12000, lots of bodywork to remove and I understand quite expensive.
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    Comparison
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    Includes ABS




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    If anyone is going to make the most of <st1:City><st1:place>Highland</st1:place></st1:City> it has start with the engine. Twin inlet to release the top end power a little more weight in the flywheel to improve the smoothness. Frame to improve access (although KTM don’t seem to bother). Some improvements to the aerodynamics and looks. That would do me – light, fast and nimble. Needs major work to make the most of that super light and torquey motor. Folan have a 1200 version but I don’t think it’s needed.
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    Do I want a KTM Adventure? Nice modern long distance iron, but I would want the new one next year and then the next etc etc. Not enough character for me to keep and a real money pump.


    Please remember this is just a couple of hours ago and not the product of a thoughtful measured assessment. :ear



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  4. Tim

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    A very interesting comparison John, thanks for taking the time to do it for us :clap
  5. Zecatfish

    Zecatfish XTique Rider

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    Seems like from that little comparison, The KTM is the Gold Wing of the D/S world, and the Highland is the KLX650R of the 950cc D/S world.
    Well it seems that ATK is serious about this venture, I hope they pull it off, would be awesome to have truely affordable dirt capabe v-twin. But I doubt it will be affordable with the whole dollar to euro thing.
  6. John in Leeds

    John in Leeds Been here awhile

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    Interesting comparison, all I would say is that the power and torque potential of the Highland is just a tad more than the KLX. The price potential is also very good, especially is the only import into the US is the engine. Made in the US could generate serious money from export back to Europe and the rest of the world. The potential is there but who can realise it? :deal
  7. Speeddog830

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    John, thanks for an outstanding thread! :clap

    Any way I could convince you to crate that scooter up and ship it to me? :lol3
    Trade you my GC for it.:deal
  8. John in Leeds

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    Nice feedback ta and sadly the GC is too far away for a swop :lol3

    There is some bad news however, just before Christmas she ran a big end. I have not posted because I was hoping to get some idea of why this should happen. Rock and Road (the dealer) replaced the engine and that is now run in and performing well. It was strange because the bike was not under pressure when it went, just tooling along 85ish and a noise like a luggage strap come loose and flapping, pulled into the side and stopped motor straight away. Thought it was probably a cam chain but strip down showed a destroyed roller bearing. The engine looked well made and strong with predominantly needle and roller bearings throughout, still not got to the bottom of why it failed. I will however post when there is more information.

    I fitted a cheap screen from Airblade that works very well making 100mph cruising a reallity (if I'm in a hurry) makes the motorway fast and relaxing. Also gives good protection from the heavy rain and gales we are experiencing at the moment.

    As said ATK did look at producing this bike but it may be that the Chinese version gets out first. I would say however that they really do need to do some development, although the motor works really well for me it does need some smoothing out at the bottom and releasing the potential at the top. I'm sure even more weight could be pared off without loosing reliability and this would quite frankly make it unbeatable for dual purpose giving more technical off road capability with it's existing long range speed. In my humble opinion the only way other manufacturers could then compete would be by producing their own light weight high capacity motor.
  9. John in Leeds

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  10. KHVol

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    That's great ....:-)
  11. nsx

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    If anyone is feeling adventurous, I'm putting my Highland Motard up for sale. It's titled in TN, previously in IL. Give me a call if interested. Robert, 865-482-9039, rwmcbrien@yahoo.com.
  12. John in Leeds

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    Just wanted to post some pics from Scandinavian sites

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    and some dual inlet mods from Fettsnok

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    looks like a possible diy route to sorting the bottom end problem. Will see when I get the translation.
  13. BarkSlayer

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    ATK had a few of the Highland-built V-twins at the dealer show in Indianapolis back in February of this year. I thought they looked rather cobby, like a half finished prototype. Based on what I saw there, I'd say there's some work to be done yet.
  14. GreaseSnake

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    Hi all you Highland fans!

    Just sayin' "Hi from Sweden", thanks to John in Leeds showing me this forum. Hopefully I can bring som light into the Highland discussion.

    My bike o' fun (Frame nr 11 and engine nr 7, an early test bike)
    Features: SM-wheels, custom inlet and fuel system (2x40mm Tb:s) Free flowing silencers. Lowered swingarm, shortend rear suspension (To get equal level front to rear as when using offroad 18-21" wheels). Acewell dash.
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    // Johan in Sweden
  15. John in Leeds

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    Hi Johan

    So now I know what 'FettSnok' means :D

    Wecome mate, it will be good to have someone here who genuinely has some Highland development experience. :clap

    I am really interested to know how you have got on with your versions of the dual independent runner system. You can see from posts here that the main problems experienced are all to do with the poor low speed running, making town work or slow traffic a real pain. We cannot always be on a mission. :ricky
  16. GreaseSnake

    GreaseSnake 2wheeled maniac

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    Hi again!

    Well, it's as close as it gets. "Snok" is Swedish for "Grass snake" but that would just sound silly. "Fett" is "grease" (or lard, but that's not very glorfying..) It's just another name for your "grease monkey". :wink:

    Nuff with that, back to the whys and whats on the Highland 950.

    As you might have seen, the stock inlet system is a bit tight. First of all, the tubing between "airbox" and throttlebody is too tight. The bend and volume over the frame pipe (wich double serve as evap connection) makes airflow on high end a bit astmatic.

    Then for the single tb; it's just too small for high output.

    Next thing, the "plenum" is too small for a plenum. This makes the airflow inside the "plenum" irregular. This irregular flow is caused when one cylinder opens and the other closes. The closing of intake valvs gives a "back flow" of air, disturbing flow to the other cylinder. Under some circumstances this actually helps pushing air into the other cylinder but mostly it's just bad. During low to low-mid it makes the engine run rough and gives the bike a nervous behavior because of the low air speed in the runner system. This is why the fuel-maps are separated between the two cylinders.

    Older models (carburetted) used the same "plenum" but had a carburator mounted instead of the tb. Because of the single inlet, a/f had to make a 180 U-turn wich made on cylinder run rich and one run rich...
    Nuff anecdotes.. Back to EFI!

    It started with a test system using two separate 45mm tb:s as shown in picture below
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    If you look closely on the upper right you'll se the home made plate between the round runner pipe an the two round intake ports. I'ts to separate air flow between the to ports as seen on "normal" 4-port heads.. (Not on Highland though..)
    If you look at the picure below this is how stock looks. Just made "the same thing" but with a lower profile to make more room for the runners between tb:s and heads.
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    On the above picture you can see the injector as well. Not "optimal". That's why I moved on to the next version, but it turned out that moving the injector didn't make that much difference.
    I took a tb with separate throttles but with just one axle. This made sychronisation a lot easier, but mounting a bit harder
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    The TB is a Weber EFI conversion type, twin 40mm.
    Home made intake runners between head and TB.
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    Not for good looks (didn't bother as it was a test originally) but works just fine. (Above) you can see the plate between the runner and the ports as mentioned before.

    Then there's the air filter deal. I took two hoses and connected to the TB:s
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    And then I cut off the tight bends of the stock airbox. "Plastic welded" (using a heat gun and some donor plastic from the parts cut off) two connectors on the airbox. The hoses now run between the airbox and TB:s instead of stock bend between tank and frame pipe.
    This is perhaps not optimal for high output, but i's not any worse than stock... On low and mid the engine runs very "neat" compared to stock. It is however not possible to make the engine behave calms as an old Rolls V12 because of the very light rotating assembly. But it's as night and day comparing stock to my version.
    I should add that my intake ports are a bit narrower than they on most other bikes. I use the older heads for more low end torque as I'm found of weelieriding.. The two other bikes that runs with separated intake runners are even more "rideable" and the only difference are the larger intake ports. (these are stock and came around 2001). The latest converted bike uses stock intake plate with dito injector mounting. Works very very good!

    As for tank modification, it's barely a teacup of tank volume thats removed. It's the little tip behind the TB, if you look at your tank's right side you see that I mean.

    For fueling, I simple cloned the maps so both cyls run exactyl the same fuel amount. Looking at the A/F meter this seemes just right and that makes it all a lot easier! It's only half the time mapping then :1drink


    Hope this gives some answers to your questions!
  17. nsx

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    I'm not sure what this means. I want to go the easiest route. I buy a Weber throttle body and then fabricate an intake manifold? It's hard to make out details of the manifold in the pictures. Could you please elaborate on how the manifold is constructed?

    I really appreciate your giving us this info. Thanks so much.

    Robert in Oak Ridge
  18. GreaseSnake

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    I'll try to get my 'ol camera out and get you some pictures before my vacation (and time for fun with the Highland, Mille and Gixxr) runs out :eek1

    If the pics aren't up before weekend, ask John here to kick me where it hurts! (He's got my mail)

    Your freind in the greasy business,

    Johan

    Edit: A little look back at my trip to North Cape last month --> [FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [​IMG][/FONT]
  19. John in Leeds

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    If there were enough takers it might be a good idea to see about getting a pair of manifolds fabricated for casting. It seems to me that this is what is needed to make the bikes realise their potential.

    I also think I need to listen to Johan's experiences for a while just to get a flavour of what is possible and what he intends to do with his new system.

    Also as engine production is likely to start in China very soon (I cannot believe they will use the original system) they may have an upgraded manifold and inlet system ready to bolt straight on. Just some ideas

    Could be an exciting end to the year

    :lurk :lurk :lurk
  20. GreaseSnake

    GreaseSnake 2wheeled maniac

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    Well, I might as well give you a litte taste of my oldschool (yep, it's plain old) bike http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbC09k-bNsI
    There's nothing wrong, it sounds like that," thin walls around the timing chain is one reason. Of many, so don't let " rattlin' scare you off. Well, mine is a bit noisier than many others thanks to my timing chain drive modification..
    (Nothing to take notice to if you dont have one of the older engines.)

    Tried filming with my actioncam as well, mounted on the helmet, wasn't any fun to watch.. I'll try again tomorrow :evil