Historical Markers, Interpretive Signs

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  1. Craig McCurdy

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    Monument at the North end of Wallowa Lake
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    There is some degree of controversy surrounding Lewis' death. Suicide, or murder? A few years ago an effort was made to exhume Lewis' body to examine his wounds but, so far, the Forest Service is refusing permission.
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    The State of Tennessee is the holdup. 13 of the worlds leading pathologists, etc. have volunteered to examine the body but every time it is considered it is delayed. There was a convention of 50+ Lewis ancestors at a meeting last yr near his burial site partitioning Tenn. To be turned down again.

    Pres Wm Jefferson Clinton (named after Thomas Jefferson, brains behind the L & C Expedition), an avid L & C fan tried to resolve the issue but Tennessee has fought it due, supposedly to the expense of another autophsy. Pres G. W. Bush, also persued it but again ran into hurdles with Tenn. Pres Bush, also L & C fan, did grant around $20 million to the bi-centennial L & C celebration in 2003.

    There is an original letters archived that he attempted suicide in route to Grinder Inn, two weeks prior to his actual death...so it seems doubtful it was a murder, but a simple examination of the skeleton would probably solve the puzzle. I know one of the pathologist and he is insistent that his skeleton will still be intact after 208 yrs. Interesting that at his death here, Lewis had the irreplacable "Lewis and Clark Journals" in his saddlebags and at his death they were stolen. Two weeks the mysterious thief turned them in, apparently realizing their value. They were then sent on to Washington where Lewis was taking them...some think Seaman was with Lewis at Grinder Inn and was simply abandoned. Lewis' manservant (hired slave) was with him at Grinder Inn and later told Thomas Jefferson the details of his death but it was not well records.

    I'm more puzzled as to know what happened to Seaman.

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    Grinder Inn (replica) of where he was killed. The actual Inn is 50 yards behind the replica and the rock foundation of the original Grinder Inn is still there.

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    This is one of a number of articles naming the Feds as the barrier. I don't have a dog in this hunt but there does seem to be conflicting information on this issue.

    http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/...s_suffer_setback_in_ongoing_bid_to-ar-319181/
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    Fascinating posts everyone. While it isn't the same as RIDING there, nevertheless what a great virtual tour of historical places.
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    The founding of our country was not always a peaceful affair.

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    A little off subject but here is an episode of Wild West Tech dealing with the Benders.
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    The top of the monument that appears to be broken off is actually the original design and represents a life tragically ended too soon. I felt rather inadequate on my first visit nearly 30 years ago. That didn't change much this trip as I read a list of his accomplishments, all complete at such an early age.

    A young girl with her family visiting the site while I was there, told a story of him being buried with his dog. Are any of you familiar with this??
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    I'm very familiar with this dog story. It's a long story, but for 6 months, 3 yrs ago, I was involved with Kira Gales' book about Lewis death. I helped her promote her book about 3 yrs ago. Books easy to order via Amazon. Ms. Gales theory is that Seaman (Lewis's dog) was with him when he died,or committed suicide. Kira's book's theory is that Lewis was murdered. Most evidence is he committed suicide.

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    If Seaman was with him on the Natchez he either wandered off or something else happened to him. She and I totally disagree on this!

    Lewis and Seaman were inseparable for the 2 & 3/4ths of a year during the Expedition. All the ones (6 guys) writing Journals (diaries) about the Expedition frequently mentioned how valuable Seaman was 24 hrs a day guarding their campsites and gear...fiercely barking at buffalo, wolves, bear and Indians that approached their campsites. Seaman specifically hated the sight of buffalo and would chase any he saw...he was a retriever by breed.

    On their return home in May 1806, Lewis camped west of Helena, MT in what is now the tiny town of Orlivado (sp?). On that day Lewis wrote in his journal that he was concerned that Seaman had been gone since the last evening chasing a large herd of buffalo. Lewis wrote that Seaman had been lost before and always caught up the next day. BTW, Clark was 500 miles away heading in another direction on the Yellowstone River.

    Where Seaman was last seen chasing a herd of buffalo according to Lewis' journal:
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    Seaman Creek - According to Lewis's journal this is where they camped when at Seaman Creek. Very pretty campsite...and today an excellent trout stream.

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    Marker describing the last sighting of Seaman; as they left this campsite. Lewis wrote in his journal he called the creek where Seaman went missing, "Seaman Creek". To me this shows Lewis' concern that Seaman might be missing for good. Lewis and his party were under a lot of pressure to meet Clark and the rest of the party at Reunion Bay in North Dakota and had to leave for Cutbank, MT in order to meet Clark on schedule.

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    Seaman was never mentioned in their journals again...ever.

    Three weeks later, Lewis, two Field brothers, and Drouillard were searching for the infamous Northwest Passage in northern Montana, 15 miles from Canada (today's Cutbank, Montana).....and in the middle of the night 3 teenaged Blackfoot Indians tried to pull Rubin Field's rifle from his side as he slept. The point....if Seaman had caught up with Lewis and his party...he would have raised all kinds of hell...

    Field awoke, startled and pulled his knife and stabbed the kid in the heart, killing him instantly..as simultaneously Lewis shot and killed another of the teens, as the other teen escaped into the darkness...if Seaman had been there he would have "retrieved him".:evil

    Clark once wrote how he shot a full grown deer but it escaped across a river. Half an hour later, Seaman had not only caught the alive but wounded deer and with his webbed feet was swimming from across the river with the wounded deer in his mouth...dragging the full size deer to Clark's feet.

    I have no doubt that if Seaman was not lost he would have been all over the 3 Indian teens. None of the Expedition members ever wrote about Seaman after the Expedition. All 32 of the Expedition members called Seaman "our dog" in their journals...they were quite attached to him.

    Lewis wrote a touching paragraph about Seaman's loyalty after his return from the Expedition...but I'm pretty confident he was lost at Orvilean (spelling??) chasing a herd of buffalo. Pictures later when I have access to them...

    Lewis' remains were exummed once before and nothing was mentioned about Seaman's remains being in his grave.

    I'm pretty sure I'm right about my theory...have traveled to all of the sites in MT, Cutbank, & Natchez.

    Lewis' wrote this inscription for Seaman's colar: (FOR THE DOG LOVERS)
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    Lewis wrote a touching paragraph about Seaman's loyalty after his return from the Expedition...but I'm pretty confident he was lost at Orvilean (spelling??) chasing a herd of buffalo. Pictures later when I have access to them...

    Lewis' remains were exummed once before and nothing was mentioned about Seaman's remains being in his grave.

    I'm pretty sure I'm right about my theory...have traveled to all of the sites in MT, Cutbank, & Natchez.

    Lewis' inscription for Seaman's colar: (FOR THE DOG LOVERS)
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    Awesome. Thank you. Another remarkable story that comes out of events of Lewis and Clark's lives.
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    L&C... Simply excellent perspective and thought and tribute on Seaman, along with related images! The Stephen Ambrose book notes the value of Seaman well, but your contributions here take it to the next level.
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    Death of Pretty Boy Floyd
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    Believed to be returning to his home in the Cookson Hills of Oklahoma after a year of hiding, Floyd and his partner, Adam Richetti, had attracted the attention of local police near Wellsville, Ohio. A shoot-out ensued, resulting in Richetti's capture and Floyd's escape.

    Agent Melvin Purvis supervised the three-day manhunt, which ended here when eight lawmen ended Floyd's life of violence. "Pretty Boy's" body was placed on public display in East Liverpool before being returned to Oklahoma for burial. LINK


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    This memorial to miners killed in a cave-in is in the hills above the Valley View Hot Springs near Villa Grove, CO.

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    I find it especially moving because it appears to have been erected by co-workers of the lost men and has been treated respectfully for over a hundred years. My crappy old laptop screen isn't clear enough to make out the words. Perhaps someone would list them.
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    Thats the best I could make out.