Historical Markers, Interpretive Signs

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  1. Sod Buster

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    This one reminds me of this stone carved by Rail Road workers for a crew of 7 that were killed near Victoria Kansas by a War Party of Cheyenne in August of 1867, they are buried along side the tracks just south of Victoria. The seventh man managed to walk back into Fort Hays shot and scalped, he died at the fort.


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    And a memorial placed by the Union Pacific in which was highly unusual for the RR, most laborers just received a shallow grave along the tracks.


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    There are only 11 graves in this small cemetery, the six track workers and 5 typhoid victims. RR tracks are visible just across the road.


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    The other marker in this small prairie cemetery. They were buried here beside the Rail Road workers instead of the Victoria cemetery because of the fear of Typhoid.


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    Sorry, I forgot to post the text to the carved stone. It says much more than the Union Pacific plaque, the UP Memorial was more to play up the fact that the RR wanted government troops protecting their intrests, the U.P. didn't haul that huge chunk of rock, onto the frontier out of the goodness of their hearts. This little Grave Yard would have been pointed out to everyone headed west to Denver on the U.P. The Indians never had a chance, the U.P. probably got its moneys worth out of these graves! Sits right on a elavated knoll right beside the tracks. The carver Dock Williams was probably a friend of Hugh McDonaugh whose grave it marked. I guess a real friend would carve your headstone.


    IN MEMORAIM of Mr. McDONNEY.
    FIVE (?) . . . PERSONS HERE TO. ME. UNKNOWN.
    TO THIER MEMORY
    WE CARVED THIS STONE.
    KILLED BY
    INDIANS
    IN THE YEAR 1867
    Dock William
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    I've always wanted to see this (western history buff) so yesterday went 200 miles out of my way to Fort Sumner, New Mexico. My thermometer showed 108 degrees.:cry

    Marker: His marker is illusive because it has been stolen twice. Once a gang of teens from California stole it but the local sheriff recovered it. It is now surrounded by an iron fence.

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    Heat reflecting off the dirt was unbearable.:huh

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    Rough map (don't follow unless you like being lost).
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    Stinking Springs:
    Billy had escaped the law (Pat Garrett) and was hiding in a tiny cabin in the middle of this prairie in a location called Stinking Springs. Billy's girlfriend's brother (didn't like Billy), spilled the beans and told Garrett where he was hiding. Garret showed up with a possey and Billy had no escape, so surrendered and faced trial for multiple murders.

    Awaiting linching, Billy asked to go to the john and over took a deputy, while the other deputy was having breakfast. When the deputy heard the gun fire, he ran from the restaurant across the street and was gundown from an upstairs windows by Billy who had the deputy's shotgun.

    Garrett caught up with Billy at his girlfriend's fathers house a few months later and shot him in the back in the middle of the night.

    View of Stinking Springs as it looks today.
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    Billy was born in New York City, moved with family to Kansas and all over the midwest and was orphaned at 14 yrs old...not necessarily a fast gun slinger, but would walk up and shoot someone at the drop of a hat, often laughing about it. Seemed more of a bully than gunslinger...but died a hero in southwest New Mexico. Too bad movie producers distort the facts to dramatize the real history.

    More interesting read here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_the_Kid
  5. MrBob

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    I stood in the same spot. If memory serves me the headstone was stolen a total of three times. In 1904 the nearby Pecos River flooded and washed away the wooden headstones. A decision was made to erect a headstone in memory of BTK but no one knows for sure where he's actually buried.
  6. Sod Buster

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    LC, great pics thanks for taking the time to go and take them, looks like you fryed.:lol3 Was Billy buried in a cemetery?



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    I'll never go back to Texas :eek1, without an air conditioning unit strapped to my Jesses. yeaks...how do those people take it?:eek1

    No it was a cemetery with 4 or 5 other people buried in the block walled cemetery. Have a feeling that most did not want to be buried with such a shady character. Probably could not find anyone brave enough to dig the grave in that heat.

    BtKid is a local hero. The BtKid museum in Fort Sumner was old and rundown but some most impressive artifacts.

    BTW, part of Billy's resume was stealing cattle from Chisholm's ranch. Of course it was not that way in the John Wayne movies.

    Texas, how do those people live?:kboom:kboom

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    They come up to Colorado and fill the state parks with their RV's all summer. Not that I blame them.

    Books

    For those of you who want to learn more about Billy the Kid, here is a alphabetical list of books I recommend and are a part of my personal library (I placed an asterisk* next to those that are a must read):

    Lieutenant Colonel N.A.M. Dudley Court of Inquiry By Robert M. Barron (this book is self-published, if you're interested contact Donna Tatting)


    Robert M. Barron was my father and Donna Tatting is my sister.
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    Bob... Very special. Never knew about this. It reminds of the Hastings Mine Disaster (121 men lost) I came upon while exploring approaches to Cordova Pass from the east....

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    Ms SuzieQ:

    :lol3Next time I know to leave my Coleman stove at home. I could just cook my eggs on the top of my bald head.

    Texas does have some amazing cattle ranches....but I'll save those for winter riding.

    http://www.veskimo.com

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  12. Sod Buster

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    Any idea where Dick Broadwell is buried?
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    Dick Broadwell's family came for the body, he is buried just west of Wichita in Hutchinson Kansas..

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    Thank you. Somehow I knew that you would know. :deal
  16. Sod Buster

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    If you look through the then and now photo thread I posted some of my Dalton stuff along with the story.
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    Lewis and Clark reached the mouth of the Missouri River in July of 1805. Not knowing this was the mouth of the Missouri they were faced with the merging of three river. If the Missouri reached the Pacific Ocean (the Northwest Passage) it "had" to be one of these 3 rivers. Seeing the tall mountains in the distance L and C both had concluded that there was probably not going to be a NW Passage.

    They simply wanted to travel as far as possible via water (with 4 to 5 thousand pounds of cargo). They had to make a guess as to which river was the Missouri River, that was headed west. Clark stood on the below rock looking west and simply guessed which of the three rivers went west.

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    The rock ledge on the right of pic is where Clark stood: You can see the marker at the top of the ledge in the distance.
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    You can walk to the "Clark Overlook" and see exactly what Clark saw:
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    Three rivers all flowing in different directions:

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    Clark choose the correct river traveling the furthest to the west.

    They finally ran out of navigable water near today's Dillon, Montana. And up Lemhi Pass on foot and horseback they find the literal end of the Missouri River about 4 miles up Lemhi Pass Road the mighty Missouri is a tiny stream. (The mouth of the Missouri River).

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  18. Sod Buster

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    LC, I love to stand in places like the ridge you showed ,where clark stood deciding on which route to take. Thanks for posting your Lewis and Clark explorations! Great posts everyone!


    A little more Dalton stuff. The Daltons had a sister who lived in Coffeyville and had lived there them selves for a time, they were in disguise when they rode into town but they were still recognized. They also had a sister that lived just southeast of Meade Kansas in far south west Kansas and is known as the Dalton Hideout, this home has a tunnel runing from the house to the barn. My great grand father homesteaded a few miles from this farm, my grandpa used to play in the old tunnel, but this was twenty years after Grat and Bob Dalton were killed, the sister was also gone by the time my grandpa grew up in the area. The old Dalton place just east of Meade Ks was a museum for years, I'm not sure if it's still open or not it does still show up on most Kansas maps.


    Emmitt Dalton, after being released from prison.


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    Emmett's pistol belt, showing bullet strike, he was shot up pretty bad.


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    First national Bank safe, the First National burned, the Condon Bank is still standing.

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    First National's bullet riddled front doors. If you are ever in the south east part of Kansas stop at Coffeyville and go through the Dalton museum, well worth your time.


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    Bob Daltons saddle.


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    Bob Daltons property carried the day of the robbery.


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    You strike me as a guy borne in the wrong century. I'd bet you had rather be mounted on a horse, carrying a six-shooter, headed across a prairie.:wink:
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    LC... Great stuff on the three rivers. I remember reading about the challenge of the choice. Trying to recall, didn't they divide here and either Lewis or Clark went north following one of the rivers to confirm it wasn't the right one?

    Great image of the Missouri where one can jump across it. Is possible to do the same in Colorado, jumping across the Rio Grande, Arkansas, Colorado, and the North/South Plattes where they are a mere three feet across.