History of Trials

Discussion in 'Trials' started by Greebe, Oct 11, 2017.

  1. Greebe

    Greebe Been here awhile

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    I would like to learn more about the history of trials and thought I would see what you guys can tell me. I am interested to see how the sport has evolved over the years, and how the rules have changed and how the sport has changed.

    Any info you guys have would be appreciated.

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  3. lineaway

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    Trials has been around forever. The basic rules were easy. 1,2,3,5. No stopping, it is a motorsports. In the early eighties the rules were changed as the riders became really good. You could stop and back up as long as you stayed clean. No dabbing while stopped. The great riders screwed this up again because they were so good. So a time limit was added. All was good until the indoor series in the late nineties decided not to count fives while footing to appease the crowds and television. (There is more to this story than meets the eye) That made it easier for a poor rider to keep up with a great rider.
    Sure as shit the World round adopted the all day dab somewhere around 2002. (Help me out LowPsI) Terrible rule, but new riders now could act like they could ride trials.
    Fast forward to 2013 and the world rounds again went back to no stop. Again because the top riders were so good, they changed the rules. (Again there is more to this than meets the eye)
    Now in 2017/2018 the circus (world rounds) is now profit driven. But if trials ever starts being profitable, it could be better for our sport.
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  6. Greebe

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    Thanks guys. One reason I was asking is because the old videos show guys just paddling though sections with little worry about putting their feet down. When did dabbing become part of the equation? Below is an example of Observed Trials in 1951 where they have their feet on the ground as much as on the bike. At 25:10 in the video you can see the same thing in the Scott Trial of 1951.

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    The top riders did not dab.
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    I knew older than dirt Lineaway would know the answers.
    I'm pretty sure I saw Lineaway in that film...
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    Greebe, the Scott Trial is more of a one day race. You have to be within so many (90) minutes within the first finisher. Then it is points and late points.
    Everyone confuses it with the Scottish Six Days. Which still is traditional no stop run close to a hundred miles a day.
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  11. Greebe

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    Ok, thanks. So the first part of the video that is observed trials, the guys were just not very good then since they paddling along. :D

    -What is dab all day rule? Is that the current way of scoring where you can dab as much as you like and only get a 3?

    -Is the no stop rule only applied in the FIM?

    -What is Kickstart Trials? I found an old film showing one in Europe, and it seemed like just a timed trials event? There was one turn where everyone dabbed, but the announcer never mentioned it while other dabs were counted as time I guess?

    -Is our modern style of trials in the US, pretty close to how it was in the beginning? I know that the very first trials was about motorcycle reliability.

    -When did points for dabs come about?

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    Then there's the old British Trials Cars...

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    The all day dab is the current rule of stopping with a foot down = 1 point. In no stop/historic rules that is a 5. This takes 0 skill, might as well put my kickstand down and have a beer.
    No stop is used by the FIM, Scottish six day trials, British Championships?, and almost any vintage event.
    Seems like points came along in the early fifties, I remember I was surprised to hear how late it was and it was a strange system that I cannot remember this moment.
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    Thanks for the info. Despite have done several events this summer, still foggy about the history and the rule differences.

    I would be curious to know how trials was scored before the current point system. That would be interesting.

    So basically the all day dab allows you to stop on a dab for long as you want. In the old days you could only dab on the move?

    As far as the non stop rule, I am not sure I like that one for the simple fact that if you have the skill to balance while stopped and not dab it seems like you should be allowed to do that. If they wanted to speed things up they should have just put a five second time limit for being stopped in place.

    One other question is about crossing your own tracks in a section. The club I am a member of has a rule that you cannot cross your previous track in a section. Is this common across all trials events or is that more an individual local club rule?
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    Always has been, but the rule has several definitions per whose rule you are using. (crossing your tracks)
    The balance thing could be talked about forever. ITSA rules allow this in no stop..
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    Having started trials when we engaged 2nd gear and rode the section, I find what they get away with now like cheating - and then they moan because they get single digits for the whole trial. I had to get training to observe on a National Champs...I felt like giving them all 5's.

    We used to do 8 sections 5 times....start on your entry number. That meant theoreticaly your first try at a section was a 5, then you could do a 3 etc until your last round was a clean. What you might do is 5 it the first couple of times, get a 2 , then a clean, and on the last round get a 5 because you were so worn out you could hardly stand. Stop was a 5, paddle all day for a 3. That's how we do Twinshock too, old bikes, old guys, and old rules.
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    Trials has too many rules...at least that's what my enduro friends say.
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    I was fortunate enough to have entered and finished the 14 th Talmag Trials in Southern England way back when...I received a first class award in the mail afterwards...A little shield with a pewter face with my name engraved on it...My motorcycle was an O.E.C. with a two stroke Villiers motor...I rode the bike to the trials..about 15 miles... Removed the quick detachable lighting system ...and entered the event.....and rode back home.....Trials are far removed nowadays from back in the 60s when I was a bad ass punk rocker on my Velocette Venom!....Sammy Miller Ariel GOV132 was my hero of all time....
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    That's really funny! What's more obscure and arcane, than check placement rules for a time keeping enduro???!!!!
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