Hockey anyone?

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  1. Jurgen

    Jurgen Trolljegeren Super Moderator

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    Never have closely followed hockey, have really enjoyed the very few games I've attended but other than 1980 US Olympic Hockey Team (USA USA USA USA....) I haven't been able to get at all excited about hockey on TV. So what is up this year, why the lock out? Who is good and who is evil. Should I care.

    Jurgen
    BTW I lived in SLC for a year and my understanding was the GoldenEagles were the equivilent of triple A ball. What are the Scorpions here in NM?
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  2. Kaumajet

    Kaumajet H.I.D. Positive

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    You should not care. It is no longer a sport, it is a business like all the rest. In the Olympics, it kind of a sport, but like in Basketball, they let pros in.

    Women's Olympic hockey is about the best example of the sport, that it, until the US women's team decided to trample a Canadian flag on their dressing room floor before the gold medal game at the 2002 Salt Lake City games.
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  3. Chopperman

    Chopperman I am dead

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    WHL. The minor league. That shit is fun.
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  4. Kaumajet

    Kaumajet H.I.D. Positive

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    Yeah, maybe hockey has a future if the fans actually find real hockey to watch during the strike.

    We live in hope.
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  5. Loadedagain

    Loadedagain making chips

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    :nod their blind desire to get into the nhl makes it the best hockey anywhere.
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  6. DirtDOG

    DirtDOG Same Dog, New Tricks

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    My home town had two rinks for a population of 1700 people. It was cool, wrestling with skates and sticks. ATGATT wasn't much back then. Ice was the color of blood.
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  7. BOXER 2003

    BOXER 2003 Canadian Canuckler

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    You know, I hope this strike lasts until the game is destroyed and the league has to build it from scratch.

    I don't begrudge anyone who makes a lot of coin, but enough is enough.

    Cap the top players at 2 mill per season and give the average Joe a chance to bring his kids to the game.

    b.
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  8. Rider

    Rider Moderator Emeritus Super Moderator

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    The problem is that the NHL players think they're worth as much as Major League Baseball players or NFL football players or NBA basketball players.
    The simple fact is they're not. Their TV contract(s) are a joke compared to the others.
    Example: each NFL team receives $75 million a year in TV revenue. They could literally not sell a ticket and still make a profit.
    The average NHL team - the TV contracts are negotiated separately rather than as a package deal - receives $2 million dollars.
    Do the math. The NHL is fucked.
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  9. Kaumajet

    Kaumajet H.I.D. Positive

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    Uhmm, not so much.

    IMHO, anyone, and I mean anyone, who kicks a ball around a field, or bangs a piece of rubber with a stick, or throws balls in a peach basket, who thinks they are worth more than a doctor, or airline pilot, or army grunt, or anyone else that holds precious life in their hands, is sadly mistaken.
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  10. Jurgen

    Jurgen Trolljegeren Super Moderator

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    I think the GoldenEagles in SLC are (were?) WHL. It has been a long long time since I lived there. Those were fun games. Does anyone know what the Scorpions are here in NM. What would the Baseball equivalent be? Single A, Double A?

    Yeah if Rider's numbers are correct and players are asking for Base/Basket/Foot level salaries NHL is fricked, and won't exist any longer. Has it expanded too far -especially w/ frickin cute teams like the "might ducks?" Kinna hard to take a league seriously that goes for that shiite.

    Jurgen
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  11. Jurgen

    Jurgen Trolljegeren Super Moderator

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    I agree with ya on Hockey pricing. I figured a home game for a sport that has, what 30 or 40 homegames a year would be like $25ish. Went to see my folks and thought hey I'll take my dad to an Avalanche game, boy was I wrong--ended up not going. Not worth the price for us non fans.

    BTW, found out about the scorps--google is a wonderful thang- they are Central Hockey League which would be considered AA.

    Jurgen
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  12. Jurgen

    Jurgen Trolljegeren Super Moderator

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    Yep up in Colorado both DU (can't spell dumb without DU) and Colorado College have solid programs. Here in NM we only have the Scorps but the few times I've been have been a fun and cheap time.

    Jurgen
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  13. Komet

    Komet The Voice of Reason

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    Memphis Riverkings!
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  14. Komet

    Komet The Voice of Reason

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    I've seen a few minor league games...our current Riverkings and the old SouthStars from the 70's. Have never been to a NHL game but would like to one day. It's not football but is rather entertaining.
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    ilmostro Under Da Sea

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    The OHL can be some good hockey if you're in the area and so inclined. When you heckle them they will actually try to hit you in the stands with the puck. Great fun!

    Or you can watch these guys play "Old Time Hockey, coach" over and over again. They're like the Webber boys of hockey. Or are the Webbers the Hansens of ADV :scratch

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  16. Huggin' Jugs

    Huggin' Jugs Been here awhile

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    The problem(s) with the NHL are numerous - no lucrative TV contracts to offset the overpaid players which means the owners have to make up the loss by raising ticket prices on fans who can't afford it. Who's to blame? Both sides if you ask me. The league is too big (they have ice hockey teams in places they don't even get ice!).

    Not to long ago Ted Leonsis brought Jagr to Washington for the price he could buy a small country. I guess he hadn't learned from Dan Snyder of the Redskins that you can't buy wins.

    The season is over this year. Too many struggling owners would rather chalk up a year in the black than pay salaries and lose more money. Too many players are skating elsewhere. If you ask me, we need some scabs to start playing. :evil
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  17. Kaumajet

    Kaumajet H.I.D. Positive

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    No, the problem with the NHL is they have forgotten their roots and tried to cash in on flashy US TV deals - and found out that most folks in the US couldn't give a rat's ass about hockey. And why should they?They 'Americanized' the sport with lighted pucks, TV time-outs, giant arenas they couldn't fill, thugs making $300K per game and jeebus knows what else - and it imploded. Good.

    As Config said, I hope the NHL collapses and starts again as a hockey league.
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  18. Jurgen

    Jurgen Trolljegeren Super Moderator

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    What little hockey I've seen I'd have to agree with you guys. When I watch the international stuff I am amazed at the grace and athletisicm, but NHL bunches of stupid hard hits (there are smart hard hits) and thuggery. Here in NM a few years ago we had some Russian C league team "Great Volostov Tractor Factory" and play the Skorps. The Russians were almost literally skating circles around the Skorpions--the Skorps began to try and fight and play dirty. They still got their asses kicked.

    Jurgen
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  19. terry.mc

    terry.mc Stop ruining my vacation

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    Hockey is great fun to play, but man it sucks on TV.
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  20. Mike M

    Mike M On the Left Coast...

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    I lived in Chicago most of my life and watched the Blackhawks. Mostly substandard, plodding hockey that was relatively uninteresting to watch. However, the Hawks would hit hard which most Chicagoans seemed to prefer to a wide open game. They usually made the playoffs and sometimes surprised some better teams, going deep into the later rounds before being knocked out by a real team. For the last 5-6 years, they can't even make the playoffs.

    Then I moved to Denver (7 years ago) and saw what hockey can be. It's a great sport for talented skill players. Unfortunately, the less talented teams have to resort to clutching and grabbing to compete. Not their fault, just the only way for them to survive.

    There are too many teams in the NHL, diluting the talent. Reduce the number of teams and stop all the grabbing and it will improve.

    Also, it doesn't translate well to TV, but HDTV should help that some---but not enough.

    Mike
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