Honda CBR250R.

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Paulvt1, Oct 27, 2010.

  1. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    Fuel injection eh? Well that's gonna make a difference. Looks like a baby VFR1200...so probably looks better in person than in photos.
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  2. DC2wheels

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    17 INCH RADIALS. :nod
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  3. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    The new 250R has 'em too...
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  4. Gryphon12

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    You nay-sayers are kidding right? KTM announces a 125 Duke and you beg for a 250cc version. Honda gives it to you, and you pan it. No wonder we don't get many of the smaller, cool bikes in the US (despite our lack of a tiered licensing system). Yes, I like the VTR-250 V-twin. I'd buy one of those, too. The CBR-250RR in-line four cylinder was a GP race bike with a license plate. Very cool collectable, and maybe a good track training motorcycle, but hardly useful for US roads.

    By the way, no one pans the R1-derived single in the Yamaha WR-250R/X. And the WR-250X does quite well on US roads (all of them). It has a great torque curve.

    Get real. We need the choices in smaller motorcycles in the US. The price of gasoline will go up again - it is a limited resource. I want to see where Honda puts the price point and the quality of the suspension. I want to see where my insurance company prices coverage for it. And I don't think it is about competition for the 650 class; it is about choices. If we don't buy them, no others will be forthcoming.
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  5. wzm

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    SuperSports don't weight in the mid-300s, unless you are talking about full on race bikes. Most wet weights are around 410lbs.

    With 26bhp out of a 4v liquid cooled 250, I wouldn't expect it to be a maintenance nightmare. These days the high maintenance 250s make mid-high 30s, and as a street bike, I bet this has a bigger oil capacity.

    FI, ABS, and a profile that's one cylinder narrower then a Ninja 250 make this sound like a great starter bike to me.
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  6. yooperbikemike

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    Gonna have to disagree with you on this one BikePilot (usually not the case).

    1. The weight listed is its curb weight (gassed up ready to ride), no dry weight --so quite a few lbs (40?) lighter than a 600 supersport.

    2. IMHO, a beginner bike doesn't need top shelf suspension or brakes. but the fuel injection and ABS is helpful.

    3. I would not recommend a 90+hp bike to a beginner regardless of how friendly it is.

    http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Oct/101027cbr250.htm

    ...and I think the styling is quite nice.
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  8. mud390

    mud390 Been here awhile

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    Glad to see Honda is bring this over. I like the styling. I'm riding a 1991 Bandit 250 inline 4 right now (living in Japan), and it makes 40-ish horsepower redlining at 17000 rpm. This is my first street bike. It's was a little nerve racking having next to no torque down low and having to rev the crap out of the bike on even the slightest hill, but I've managed. I think the single will help with that for new riders. Maybe this is a stepping stone for Honda to bring over model 1/4 liter models that are more spirited than this thumper sportbike. Hopefully they sell well and the VTR follows this bike! Speaking of the motor, is this just a detuned/retuned CRF motor?

    Kris
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  9. bluesman

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    I guess people get spoiled with choice and also market matters. Back in my home country we were and still riding CBR250RR not as collectable or track but usual sportbike. Just like VFR400RR or any other grey imports. I think it is all down to market - you might have noticed I am on "other side of the pond" - here CBR250RR is blast to ride, but not available.
    I just do not get why this new Honda called CBR-R. Perhaps marketing trick.
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  10. RichBeBe

    RichBeBe All Hail Seitan!!!

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    I love the concept, and I hope it spawns a little cult of small sportbikes, and others come in. The problem they may have is if the price is not right. They need to come in at the same cost or less than the 250 Ninja otherwise most would buy the Ninja.
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  11. Grainbelt

    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    Really wish Yamaha would enter the fray, they have a huge gap under the FZ6R. WR250X motor in a tiny chassis would be hysterical fun. :D
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  12. Florida Lime

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    No way anyone can complain about a too-tall seat height on this one !


    From the spec sheet:

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top>Seat Height:</TD><TD>95mm (3.74 inches)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    :lol3
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  13. Gryphon12

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    Thanks for your view, Bluesman. I happen to agree with Mud390 that the torque of the 250RR makes riding varied terrain difficult. I can also see it being much more useful in Europe than in the US, confirming your view that the market matters.

    My favorite smaller Hondas include the NC-29 (CBR400RR) and the NC-35 (RVF400R), both with gear driven cams and neither available in the US (outside of the 1980's grey market). These 400 cc bikes have a lot more torque than the 250RR, making them better sportbikes and better around town. Without a tiered licensing system, I'm afraid we'll never see their modern conterparts in the US. [And putting a 450 twin in the Kawasaki EX-650R doesn't help - it really is too heavy, and too expensive for the performance it gives.]

    Economics is the rub. There is a minimum fixed cost to produce any motorcycle. A base 250, 450, and 650 may very well all cost about the same. Higher performance engines justify higher quality suspensions and a bigger purchase price. We need economic reasons to go smaller in the US. The low cost, ease of riding and 70-90 mpg on an EX-250 is why the Ninjette sells so well. I'm really pleased to see some competition here, and I hope the economics and marketing will support the variety.
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    I'd like to see real world stats from riders getting that kind of mpg on the ex-250, I rarely cracked 60 mpg during regular riding.
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  16. bluesman

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    I fully see your point and agree. This is actually why I am surprised Honda took trouble creating this bike now when they already for many many years have beautiful, well handling and super-flexy engine VTR250 - all they had to do is to sell it in US, damn it! That motor is gem, I rode it for 16000 km in 1997-1999 and many years later still remember that engine. Nobody believed it was 250 and it was easily tunable to almost 40 rwbhp by switching parts of engine or just whole motor with older VT250FZ I think...can't recall exact subtype.
    I generally hate all this "market segmentation" method as it had back-draft effect. If you do not "teach" market to accept different type of products market won't accept it. European bike makers literally shaped their market but big-4 mostly drifting along. Strange.
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  17. mud390

    mud390 Been here awhile

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    Not a ex-250, but my Bandit 250 (again, inline 4) average about 35mpg in Tokyo Traffic over the last 3000 or so miles. The worst was 30mpg, the best 45mpg. The harder I ride the bike the better the fuel economy. 12000 rpm (of 17000), top gear on the highway got me the best fuel mileage to date.

    Kris
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  18. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    I get 70 on mine if I absolutely baby it. Normal riding with some spirited twisties yields about 55-60 for me. Nobody is going to get 90 MPG unless they pull half the engine out. :lol3
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  19. Chiasmus

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    Excellent Job Honda! Whereas a 250 will rarely appeal to a man-sized man or someone who doesn't live in or near a metropolitan area, there's a hell of a lot of un-manly sized women and/or smaller dudes out there who this bike will definitely appeal to. A bit more tasteful and less adolescent than the Ninjette (lighter, too!) and way cooler than any other bike that's not a supersport.

    Additionally, a 250 makes a great city bike--one could save enough per month on parking and parking tickets in SF or NY to be able to afford a sub $5k bike.
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  20. Chiasmus

    Chiasmus Been here awhile

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    Seat height is 30.7", btw.
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