Honda CBR250R.

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Paulvt1, Oct 27, 2010.

  1. stik__boy

    stik__boy Been here awhile

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    EXACTLY!!!
    With physically waaaay bigger engine, way bigger wheels, bigger tank, more plastic, brakes, forks......exhaust.....oh, no....wait on that last one! Lol
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  2. GotMojo?

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    I am a relative noob to street bikes, but I don't quite understand the above statement. Why should the Honda have been a twin? I have a Ninja 250R that is a twin, and my other bike is a WR250X single... and from my butt dyno, the WRX will smoke my Ninja in acceleration, and it also cruises better above 60mph. So why can't this CBR250R be similar to my WR250X's motor?
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  3. stik__boy

    stik__boy Been here awhile

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    Hunh?????
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  4. stik__boy

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    Agreed......never implied the R6 was a "better" choice.......I'm just saying most kids would go for the R6. I don't care if Kawasaki sells more 250's......ever peruse CL looking for one......their all "woman owned, first bike"
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  5. tastroman

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    A 250cc single with Honda reliability. Whats not to like.

    Although I doubt I'm in the market as my 250cc scooter is a more rational commuter for my commute. If I ever get tired of the Buell I'd give the Honda a look.
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  6. GotMojo?

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    Are you saying more women buy 250R's than men? I highly doubt it. Maybe you see more "woman owned, first bike" ads because a woman is more likely to buy a bike, not like riding it, and then sell it. Hopefully that doesn't come across the wrong way, but I'm sure it's true. You see WAY more men riding motorcycles in general than women.
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  7. Ginger Beard

    Ginger Beard I have no soul

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    Feck I hope that this ushers in an era of importing the great small cc Jap bikes.*crosses fingers* C'mon Honda!!!

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  8. Robert_C

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    You guys keep talking about entry bikers; but, I see it as being well positioned for commuters. FI for easy starting in the morning and ABS, which even those who dislike it will generally agree is a good option to have for all weather commuting.

    As far as the power, It will probably travel at real commuting speeds (which, contrary to the day dreams, are not 100+ mph). FI, ABS, and enough body work to reduce wind fatigue, it looks well positioned for the commuter market. The only issue that remains is pricing. I hope Honda realizes that they need to get a new generation of riders so that they can enjoy the benefits of the brand loyalty that they have had in the past.
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  9. Meter Man

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    This is true. I would think a modern design like this should be able to get a 70-75 mpg, and with weather protection would be a much better commuter than my Nighthawk 250.....
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  10. markjenn

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    I've been one to widely criticize American Honda for conservative and bland product strategies, but they deserve a lot of credit for this gutsey move. I'm not groking the single vs. the twin, but let's wait and see how this thing reviews - Ninjaette 180-parallel twins aren't exactly soul-stiring and the single may give it some needed character and be unique - how many single-cylinder sportbikes have we seen over on this side of the pond? And the ABS option and fuel injection are inspired product decisions.

    Bravo to Honda. This could be a very cool bike and absolute gas to ride on a tight/twisty road. If they get an ABS model under $5K, it would be hard to resist.

    Now Honda, how about that CB1100F?

    - Mark
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  11. GotMojo?

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    You gotta wonder if this bike is a reaction by Honda to the crappy US economy. In the past, younger guys looking for a sport bike would not hesitate to get a loan for a $10-12K 600cc sport bike (like a CBR600RR) even though it was WAY more bike than they'd ever need. Well, those days are probably over, and people are now watching their money a little more closely. Honda figures that a $4000 sportY bike like this CBR250R might entice some of those buyers.

    I'm no cheapskate myself, but when I started looking for a street bike last year, I just couldn't see myself spending $10-12K on a sport bike, even though I thought they were the shit (I've lusted after a CBR600RR ABS). It's just too much damn money, in this uncertain economy, to be spending on something that is basically just a "toy". You wonder if we are going to start seeing a trend towards these less expensive bikes...
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  12. Fictitious

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    Well there's that and then there is the fact that in (not sure about most States) but in a significant number of provinces here in Canada we are on a retarded insurance system whereby insurance is based purely on displacement, so it costs me about $600 a year (only basic coverage) to insure my 250cc dual sport from 1983 (read: pretty damn slow :p) and it would cost me the same to insure any bike from 100-400cc and then after that it instantly jumps to about double and keeps going up fairly quickly after. So doesn't matter whether your riding a bike with a low horse power/weight ratio or a high horsepower/weight ratio it'll still cost a stupid amount of money. So if you can make something like the older CBR250RR or 400RR here I think it would sell brilliantly, fast and exciting to ride while still being cheap on insurance. So I, for one, would love to see more small displacement bikes creep into the North American market, possibly just to make ICBC see that it's ridiculous to charge people the same amount to insure a 250cc dual sport that can't even make highway speed on a reliable bases as a 250cc sport bike capable of going much much faster. Anyway there goes my little rant for everybody today :p
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  13. Reposado1800

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    This bike will be a huge hit if the insurance rates stay low like most 250's.
    Everything is right, from tank size to tire size.
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  14. Terrytori

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    I'm eager to try it.
    It will likely out punch my Ninja down low which will
    make bringing it up off of tight apexes a whole lot more fun.
    If it has anywhere near the kick of Yamaha's WR 250 x, I'll
    take one. ABS... bonus.

    I truly don't understand those who would argue for getting a 600
    for a few additional bucks. Experientially, they are apples and oranges with one not being better than the other.. just hugely different.

    Much is made of the 250 class as an entry level bike and justifiably so.
    In the hands of the experienced rider, this class of bike invariably produces huge and enduring grins.

    Just ask 2 time AMA Grand National Campion and motorcycle legend, Gary Nixon who scoots a 250 Ninja as his daily ride.
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  15. Chiasmus

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    Insurance her in CA is often based on displacement, too. When I first looked at a 1000RR it was 3x the price of my 675cc bike. Ducati 1198 was even MORE than the S1000RR! Lame.

    If engines give you diminishing returns--that is, HP per liter typically goes down as an engine gets bigger (think 6.0 liter V8 w/400hp vs. 2.0 liter S2000 with 240hp). If a 600cc bike has 107 hp you'd think that at the very least a 250 would be able to crank out at 40. HP per liter should be going up, not down, with the 250R. ???
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  16. Terrytori

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    And they can and do put out big numbers but you'd likely not want to pay the price for them.
    GP 125 scoots... albeit 2 strokes put out over 50 horsepower and the 250s kick out over 100 horses at the rear wheel. A big part of the mass market 250 is to lay down affordable, tractable, power for a wide range of riders.

    Aprilia's RS 250, street bike delivered over 60 rear wheel horsepower.
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  17. markjenn

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    It's not the size of the engine that gives you diminishing returns, its the bigger pistons/cylinders/valves that limit high RPM power potential. Put enough cylinders in the engine so you can spin it faster and you can make any power you like.

    It's all about RPM. The S2000 spins to 9K RPM, the 6.0L V8 spins to 6K and that's the reason the S2000 makes 60% of the power of the V8 with 35% of the displacement. The bike situation you present is reversed in that the bigger bike has smaller cylinders. A 600cc sportbike inline-four spins to 15K, while a 250cc single probably can't be spun much faster than 10K. So it makes about 25% of the power with 40% of the displacement of the larger bike.

    Honda could have put a 18K RPM inline-four in the CB250R and made 50-hp, or a 14K RPM triple and made 40-hp, or a 11K RPM twin and made about 34-hp (about like the Ninja). Instead, they decided to go with the relatively low-RPM single, probably making about 28-hp and presumably getting better low-RPM torque, lower production costs, and perhaps something to differentiate them from the Ninja. I want to hear more about the bike before I decide whether this is a good idea or not, but right now I like the idea of a really high-tech, fuel-injected single that you ride in the mid-range rather than screaming it all the time, even if it only makes 28-hp. Of course, the engine could just be a gutless dog too. The stock engine in my old GB500 was awful - in stock trim, the bike was a looker, but the engine was totally gutless and not pleasant to ride hard at all. We'll have to see.

    - Mark
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  18. Terrytori

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    Hey Mark... You pretty much nail it.
    Yamaha's WR 250 X puts out just shy of 30 ponies from it's high tech single.
    It is lusty and torquey in all the right places and feels way
    stronger than my Ninja throughout the rev range. Interesting is that the
    wee Ninja taps out at 13k feeling a little wheezy as it runs for the red.
    The single cylinder WR pull like an freight train all the way up to 10 grand.
    Riding the Yammie, I tried to imagine that motor in a sport bike chassis.
    Perhaps I'll get that experience with the Honda.
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  19. mr openroad

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    interesting analysis Mark :thumb so as far as your GB it must have have preformed like an SR500 Yamaha?
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  20. Chuckracer

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    I recently rode a KLX250 Kawi and honestly don't see what all the fuss is about...that thing was wheezy slow...is that supposed to be fun?

    Beginner market? That's the used market.