HONDA CRF250 RALLY OWNERS

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by ferdiepick, Mar 18, 2017.

  1. minkyhead

    minkyhead Been here awhile

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    i have no other option ..its with abs ...i would prefer it withiout ...or so i thought but .so far the brakes have proved pretty good ..i often forget to switch the rear off ..
    on dry steep bankings i and some pretty knarly rocky shit can still walk the bike down on the front brake and inevtably the rear gives a few clicks of abs as feck all weight on it .but its not running away .i dont find the front abs over sensitive at all
    ive tried provoking it by slamming on on wet grass ..not easy to do after decades of one finger feel ...and it pulls up pretty smartly with out fuss ..its not over sensitive and isnt going to pulse out of control and let you fly down anything with no brakes gaining speed with no control ...as is suggested by folks who have never ridden one ...

    ..throw in the tiny first gear and there will only be extream decents that will have a question mark and the rally is not the bike for anything extream

    there is only probably one down hill situation over here that would be interesting and thats wet weslh slate :hmmmmmthat would be the ultimate test and i would nt even think about it on a rally ...indeed in them situations its more a test of tyres than any ride skill ....touch the front brake on that shit with the back of your little finger {if possible ] and you better get it off quick ...mt43s at 7psi is about your only chance ..indeed the tiny first gear on the crf is your best chance of "braking"
    but for general trail stuff loose woodsy leafy stuff you can use the front brake one finger and retain the bike at jog in the usual way ..the abs does not kick in and if it did you would be realeasing the front without it in the usual way ...you are infact the abs anyway release aty point of lock ??
    so from my point of view the front abs on the rally is perfectly safe off road ..isnt going to plummet you uncontrolably down hill like the gs videos everyone throw s up


    ..so as a expierianced rider which i am ...do i need abs ...? am i that good that i can outbrake a abs bike ....the answer to that is yes and defo no ?
    soo in good day light in the dry i can see the road surface and consider meself pretty capable of responding to the changes under the front wheel and may be able to pull the bike up in a similer distance to the abs bike but you will need to be summet special to stop shorter ??

    same bike road legal knobs riding in the pitch black on a wet road ...a very expirianced rider has no chance at all of replicating the abs on any bike like for like as its impossible to detect the dust spilage or double manhole covers in time to adjust ....

    now put all this into a duel purpose travel bike that will be used for travelling accross wet eastern eurpeon tarmack in poor visibility .. and you have a case for it

    the other thing that ..expert riders ? tend to for get is that newer riders tend to make a lot more mistakes ...wrong order of braking over reliance on the rear is not just commen its extreamly usual .....so putting a newer rider on 50hp pumpkin with no abs is not the answer infact its gonna hurt alot worse

    ..the answer is to stop being parnoid and use the brakes correctly and the rally will respond in the usual way as all bikes in anything but extream conditions and that has yet to be tested by me ...put simply theres nowt wrong with the brakes they work fine

    i have never had abs off road before and for the type of use the honda is aimed at the brakes are very very good ...theres a lot of scarmongering on the subject ...i ve used the rally enough off road to form a positive opinion ..all in all they are very good
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  2. TheColonel

    TheColonel Adventurer

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    Hi Rally owners.
    After some info on the bike for taller riders.
    I currently have a F800GS set up for me with tall seat and bar risers and its great.
    But....the GS is sooooo friggin heavy i'm over it.
    I want a lighter bike and the Rally looks good. Of course I would swap out the seat for a taller one and fit risers, and from reading this thread it would be better to upgrade the suspension for my height and weight. (6'5" and 220lbs).
    Would appreciate the taller owners opinions and how they find the bike.
    Cheers guys.
  3. KDB

    KDB Adventurer

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    I'm keen to see one in the flesh after reading all the happy owners here but dealers only stocking the L :dirtdog
  4. 1litre

    1litre In over my head

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    No ABS on the Rally here in Canada but I do have it on the Africa Twin. I can say that I would have liked it on the Rally but don't mind that I don't have it. I just love to ride it !
  5. Ed@Ford

    Ed@Ford Long timer

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    I'm only 5'9" but I like taller bars, and narrower. I easily accomplished this on my 2013 "L" model with plenty of cable rerouting. I have now a Rally with ABS. Cable routing is very much "locked in" because of all the efforts by Honda to cram stuff behind the fairing/windshield. There is way more crap in there. Rerouting the stock cables on the Rally for repositioned taller bars looks like a real task. I believe a tall guy will find the stock Rally ergonomics, especially standing on the bars, less than tolerable. You'll need to be creative.
  6. 1litre

    1litre In over my head

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    I think that's a lot man to put on this bike !
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  7. TheColonel

    TheColonel Adventurer

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    Thanks 1litre, I know what you mean believe me, ANY bike is small under me.
    But I have had a ride of the Rally earlier this year and I liked it. Yes it was smaller than I would like but there is nothing else like it.
    With raised seat and suspension and bars I think it would be OK.
    Another test ride is in order I think.
  8. Ed@Ford

    Ed@Ford Long timer

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    OH....I forgot...I'm only slightly lighter than you....The Rally suspension is pretty soft for anything other than casual street riding like I do at age 72....so plan on suspension work.
  9. 1litre

    1litre In over my head

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    If you've rode one then you know how far you need to take things. I'm 5'10" optimistically 185 (195-200 afraid to check) with the 2" risers I love the egronomics, I hope you can find the set up you need to make this work for you. It's a crackin bike. I love it !
  10. TheColonel

    TheColonel Adventurer

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    What about say.......fuel capacity?
  11. Ed@Ford

    Ed@Ford Long timer

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    The Rally tank is .6 gallons more....sounds ineffective...but compared to my "L" it's a definite improvement...and the Rally gets better MPG than my "L" and it's not even broken in yet. Ride a WRR....my riding buddy had one, spent $$$$ on suspension, and it still did not impress me, and he ended up selling it. My Rally is much more than a CRFL with a windshield...but all those added plastic bits and LED headlight are $$$$ to replace.
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  12. 1litre

    1litre In over my head

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    That sounds like jealousy!
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  13. Bultaco206

    Bultaco206 Back-to-back motos suck

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    No, it's just Kyns. He got loose from the WRR Threadfest thread again. :lol3

    He's actually pretty fun once you 'get' him. We miss him so please send him back. Sorry for the inconvenience.
  14. Baja Dad

    Baja Dad Long timer

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    Yes I have road the Honda Rally with and with ABS along with many other bikes with abs
    some may like it some may Hate it ------To each there own --------- Just enjoy your ride
  15. Ed@Ford

    Ed@Ford Long timer

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    A side comment regarding ABS & rear brake on the Rally. My 2013 CRF-L and 2017 Rally started out with worthless brakes. They require many applications of brake cleaner to the rotors and the pads require many scuffings and cleaning with 80 grit emery cloth....then dedicated stops and go's. My rally has ABS... after repeated stops with rear brake only things got bedded in and I was able to FINALLY feel the ABS kick in gently and tell me the rear brake was finally able to start locking up the rear tire on good smooth pavement. The larger front brake on the Rally is very capable....significantly better than the "L". Only issue with the Rally is there is soooo much nosedive on heavy braking....but $$ at RaceTech and other providers can help cure that.
  16. jwb

    jwb Local minimum

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    I won’t even touch the front brake on all this loose dry silt we have in the west at the end of the summer drought. I actually two-finger my right thumb so I won’t reflexively grab that lever.

    The rear brake on this Honda is exemplary in both effect and feedback.

    A WRR is more expensive and not the kind of machine you cross continents with. Apples and oranges.
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  17. webbiker

    webbiker Been here awhile

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    I won't take part in the ABS debate, but I installed power steering today.
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  18. teebag

    teebag n00b

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    What make are those?

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  19. webbiker

    webbiker Been here awhile

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  20. Ed@Ford

    Ed@Ford Long timer

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