HONDA CRF250 RALLY OWNERS

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  1. Squily

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    Dude, you don't know what you are talking about. :fpalm


    But if you have proof (not opinion), I'd be happy to reconsider my statement.

    Edit: Or maybe I shouldn't have tried to be diplomatic and use the term 'experienced riders' and just said 'people who can ride, not just think they can'
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  2. HH

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    Yes, there are bikes out there with ABS that will throw you down in the dirt.
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  3. minkyhead

    minkyhead Been here awhile

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    Strange. I thought. I had. you know best ...... chris has been duped he had a bike that said wr250r on it and lent it to me to try. So i presumed it was a 250r. Thannks for telling us it not.
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  5. Squily

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    From the above video description:
    "First! ABS is a life-saver. In NO way is the point of this video to be "anti ABS". Just the opposite. This video shows a controlled situation. ABS can take over anytime the situation is beyond control and prevent a locked-wheel skid, which is always dangerous on a motorcycle. The point here is only this: ABS is NOT a substitute for braking skill.

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    Harris, riding the near motor, uses "threshold combination braking" (the maximum amount of braking, using both the front and rear brakes, before either a locked wheel or ABS activation), the rider on the far motor; one of the top police motor instructors in the world, deliberately engages the ABS, rather than using proper braking technique. As you can see, the properly braked motorcycle stops in excess of 20 feet more quickly than the motorcycle that is stopped using the ABS as a braking tool. ABS is not a tool to stop the motorcycle (or any vehicle). ABS has only one function: to prevent locked wheel skids while braking.

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    ABS is a tremendous safety feature, and if it's available, on any vehicle you are considering you should insist that your vehicle be equipped with it. However, a motorcyclist should no more use ABS regularly than the driver of a car should frequently use the air bags."


    Plenty more out there. I am not anti-ABS, but ABS is not a magic wand that makes you ride well or increase your skill. It's a safety feature for when things goes wrong. And for that matter, I've seen plenty of people overshoot corners (off-road and on-road) and loose the front end with ABS.
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  6. minkyhead

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    as predicted the old gen 1 abs on the old gs pops up ....im unsure as to how good it is and think this may be a interesting test to undertake put me normal braked crf300 against the rally and see what the reality is ...we are now in 5th generation abs sytems

    ive never has a abs bike off road before ..ktms 690 and the 701 are compusary here too but if as good as the below video it looks like things have moved on to a different level ..

    ill get around to doing that to find out for sure how good or bad it is ,,,under what id call normal use ,,they are fine as far as im concerned

    too be fair here is a more up to date video to consider ......im quite curoius for myself and think ill give it a go just too see what happens ..lets be honest emergency stops are pretty rare or should be ....it will be interesting to actually try if for real on near identical bikes should be fun
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  7. Bitingdog

    Bitingdog That's not my dog

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    Except on gravel and loose snow...

    Seem to recall that a well known Ingolstadt automaker used to offer an ABS off-switch specifically for these surfaces.

    Otherwise, I have to say that I am in complete agreement with you
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  8. Squily

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    @minkyhead, you are right. But now we're getting into the software/hardware side of things. I've never felt the need to switch off the ABS on my Varadero on or off-road. It's excellent and works really well (dual-braking system). Yet when I road a 1200GS (don't know the year, but it was the 1st ones with the electronic push-button suspension- so fairly new model and certainly newer than my Vara), I had a runaway in the driveway when the bike wouldn't stop.

    Same goes for cars - I had a 2014/15 Hilux. Probably the worst ABS I ever came across. Forget about stopping on a loose surface with a trailer. Downright bloody dangerous.

    Now the ABS on my 2016 AT (I would assume is about as new as you can get) is noway near as good as the DBS-ABS on my 2009 Varadero. Same as people complain about the sensitivity of the TC on the bike, so I say the ABS is too sensitive on the bike. Granted - I will not try and ride like the KTM's in the video on road-tyres, but I'm convinced I will outbrake the ABS on the AT on most surfaces.

    I doubt very much the ABS on the 250Rally will be anything as good as gen-5 top-of-the-line KTM in that video.


    Edit: I remember doing an advanced driving course a few years ago and the instructor spent some time on explaining the different ABS systems, how fast the sensors could read and how fast the calipers could release and engage again all added to how well the ABS worked. So on a 6-piston caliper, with a big ABS pump, really great. On a two-piston with a small pump, not so great with long 'pauses' between grip and release etc.
  9. minkyhead

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    i agree it wont be as whizz bang as the big katoom ....its impressive

    i have 5k up on the rally and the brakes are not a problem even when i leave the rear abs on it clicks and rolls and that can stop the rear dragging a big rock wedged under it ,,,but it certainly doesnt let go so to speak t still brakes and still holds nuicence when you want dab a lock on to turn now and again ...but it pulls you up nice and smart no question about that

    i am really curiuos now as to how it would compare ... ill give it a go
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  10. jwb

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    We can't argue about the utility of ABS in a vacuum. The question arose because the poster was going to pay $700 for it.
  11. Squily

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    Yes, and my original response when people were saying the extra money was not worth it:


    But then it went south... So I reiterate my points relevant to the question at hand and hopefully be a bit clearer:
    1. A person who knows how to ride will be better than the ABS on the bike (250Rally) in most circumstances; and
    2. the fact that the bike has ABS does not mean it can't be used off-road: disconnect it or switch it off based on personal preference if you are better than the bike's standard ABS.
    3. ABS is a good safety feature to have and worth the money because it can save your bacon when your attention is not perfectly where it should be and you're not in Rossi-mode
    4. You might be able to get some of the financial outlay back in the form of savings on insurance because the bike has ABS
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  12. RowBust

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    I agree with some of your points
    An experienced rider will still ride the same, using the feel to modulate the brakes and the abs will hardly ever be activated but for the odd occasion like in an emergency situation the abs may save you, on the Rally it works so well and so quickly that you will stop faster and in a more controlled way
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    1. not true. Even a person who knows how to ride will never be better than the ABS on a bike.
    2. Offroad use with ABS is possible.
    3. ABS is a must have safety feature these days. It will save your ass even if your attention is perfectly where it should be. And even Rossi can't prevent locking up front wheels without ABS. On a circuit everybody ride in the same direction, you don't have children, no pedestraints what so ever. So where is the emergency situation for Rossi? Right, there is none. BTW, they use ABS in the MotoGP.

    I think some people who argue about ABS or not havn't ridden a bike with ABS and don't know what braking with ABS is about.
    Braking with ABS: just brake. Don't think about the surface, don't think about locked up front wheels.
    Braking without ABS: Is it wet? Is it slipery? Are there leafs on the road? Oh shit! My front wheel may lock up if I brake to hard in an emergency situation. Can "experienced riders" prevent locked up front wheels in an emergency situation? No, it's just a myth, urban legend what so ever.
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  15. webbiker

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    Do you own a Rally or do you just stir up sh*t here for your own amusement?

    My blog: www.honda250rally.com
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  16. Nostop

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    It gets really tiresome reading all the arguing about who, what is best, ABS has its benefits and in the EU we don’t get the choice anyway. So can we all just agree we’ve all got an opinion and be done with it. You’ve got two choices, you either buy it, or you don’t, it’s that simple.
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  17. webbiker

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    So that's a no?

    My blog: www.honda250rally.com
  18. Squily

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    But its a nice BLOG...


    No, serious - I think its great.


    And I'm not bothering to answer the BS in fridolin's post. He is turning it into a pissing contest. I know I can outbreak the Honda ABS on the AT (that rear brake ABS starts juddering waaaayyyy before the traction loss point) and 250Rally. I can't do it on the Vara (THE DBS_ABS is too good). Someone don't believe me- tough shit. It's the whole TC debate all over again. Lets move on.
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    If my forum signature containing my blog link is considered to be against the forum etiquette, I will of course remove it. I have however seen similar signs lines containing links to blogs, YouTube channels etc. quite a lot and never heard it is not okay.

    My blog: www.honda250rally.com
  20. webbiker

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    I have blocked you. Congratulations you are the first person I have ever blocked.

    My blog: www.honda250rally.com