Honda Forza 300

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by DOUBLE-O G, Jan 5, 2013.

  1. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    Smaller wheels make the heavy beast easier to flick around, and the tire
    choices are great in that category too. I was carving corners on my Downtown
    just as fast on my DT as I was on my Kawasaki 650R.

    Michelin Power Pure's FTW.
    :deal
  2. John Bentall

    John Bentall Been here awhile

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    I own an SH300i for a 20 mile commute in 30, 40 and 50 limits between Enfield and Brentford and have ridden a SH125i as a loan bike. The 300 moves off the line with a whiff of throttle as the same speed as a 125 on half throttle. The Forza is tuned for low-down torque rather than top end and I imagine that it would be quite brisk enough off the line for your purposes. I would first test drive the SH and see if you like the riding position and ride comfort compared to the PCX and then make up your mind.
    As an alternative there is always the X-Max-400.
    Weights are SH300 172kg, Forza 192kg, Xmax 400 212kg.
    Weight is paramount for me in London.
  3. longhaul747

    longhaul747 Been here awhile

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    Hi new to the forum :D

    Big time scooter/motorcycle enthusiast and long time lurker but never registered to join until the news about the Forza 300 coming to the states broke.

    I was actually at my dealer who is owned by a good friend last Tuesday when he just got word. Funny thing is I asked him if he knew when it was coming? He said literally that morning he got news that is was coming but no release date or price. He sent a text to his Honda rep who replied back that is was $5,599. I raised an eyebrow because I thought it would be priced between $6,000 and $7,000. At that time no release date was announced but it looks like July or August. WOW..that is fast for Honda.

    He asked me if I wanted to put down a deposit and I was tempted but I said I had some thinking to do. In the past I would have jumped on this new bike without even thinking about it but I am far more conservative now and do a considerable amount of study and thinking before I bite.

    I currently have a 2001 Honda Reflex with 15K miles. I actually got it for free last year from a gentlemen who owned it new in my condo complex but he could no longer ride it or take care of it because of age related health issues. Up until 2008 it had all scheduled maintenance done. However it sat in the back of his garage since then and collected a lot of dust. It took some TLC to get it going and I have recently replaced the tires and a few pieces of broken plastic and it now looks as good as new. Also runs like a top and gets 69 MPG average and consumes no oil. Overall a pretty solid find. As they say the best things in life are free!

    I have grown to really like the Reflex and consider it one of my favorite bikes now. However I am slightly concerned about its age, continued parts availability and its getting up there in mileage...maybe! It has always been well maintained until it was parked so I believe this one will last for many more years but some people have managed to kill them with less mileage. So in the back of my mind I have been saying this thing really could go at anytime.

    Ever since getting the Reflex I have said that if Honda ever brings back a replacement I will jump at it. Well here we are Honda announced one so I am brain storming trying to figure out if I want to sell/trade the Reflex and get the Forza 300 or just be happy with what I got?

    As much as I like the new Forza 300 I am having a hard time convincing my self to make the change. So far I find the Reflex a much more practical and suited for "Every Day Use" then the Forza 300. For starters the Forza 300 appears to have far less wind protection then the Reflex. This is not that big of a deal but something I noticed. Also its just the cost of switching that bothers me. At $5,599 it will end up being $6,500 by the time you pay the dealer fees and taxes. It seems hard to justify the expenditure when I seem pretty happy with what I got.

    Making the decision even tougher I also own a 2005 Yamaha Majesty. Its got the wind protection and the storage that likely exceeds the Forza 300 and likely a bit more power as well. Down on economy a bit but I can get 61 MPG with the Forza if I really try.

    So far I feel I already have my bases covered with what I got and they are all payed for. I have a feeling one day I will own a Forza 300 but so far I am thinking of just waiting it out a year or 2.
  4. John Bentall

    John Bentall Been here awhile

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    Optional high windshield for the Forza

    Hope this helps someone
  5. longhaul747

    longhaul747 Been here awhile

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    Yeah that makes a difference. I also have a PCX 125 so its not like I am disagree with the overall styling of the Forza 300. Basically the Forza 300 looks like a PCX on steroids witch its not a bad thing.

    One thing that really bothers me about the Reflex is the old school carburetion. Here in the states we are using 10% corn ethanol and petrol blend and its just not very compatible with anything with a carburetor. The Reflex is a bit more tolerant as far as function but the fuel economy goes in the toilet and if it sits for more then a few weeks it takes about 5 cranks to get it going. Fuel Injection fires right up even after sitting for month(s).

    I am very slowly trying to upgrade my whole fleet with fuel injection bikes but that is going to take some time.

    In the scooter department I also have a Honda SH150i, Honda Elite (Lead) 110, Aprilia SportCity 250 and a Honda Silverwing 600. So I really have a little bit of everything already.

    I would just buy a Forza 300 for the heck of it but I have no more room in the garage so something has to go and the Reflex is the most logical sense. Probably miss the first wave into the states but once they get one on the floor that just sits I will likely buy that one. I think the Forza 300 will sell well at first and then sit like the Reflex did.
  6. damasovi

    damasovi Long timer

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    WELCOME!!! I think you already have a scooter that can do what the Forza will, on the other hand a new scooter is always nice!! lol!! If I were you I would wait a year (like you mention) just to see what bugs (if any) and what new owners say after a full season, some have mention been concern about maintenance (valves)... So just wait for it.

    I only have a 100 cc scooter but I will wait for people and mags to do reports on it, also I will compare it to the other 3 options in the 300 cc range (Kymko gt300, Vespa 300, and the BV350) they are all price around $6K +-

    Damasovi
  7. longhaul747

    longhaul747 Been here awhile

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    Yeah I am thinking I will wait a bit. I also have a Majesty 400 witch cured the minor lack of power on the Reflex. Only thing I don't like about the Majesty is the clutch is a bit slow in engaging and even though it has a lot of under seat storage (I bet more then the Forza 300 will have) its hard to use because the seat splits and opens in the middle. I always thought it would have been great if the rear seat opened towards the rear allowing full access to all the storage. Other then that the Majesty is near perfect. Not too big and not too small.

    One reason to wait is after the initial launch is to see if Honda makes any revisions. For example with the PCX they went from a 125 to a 150 but kept the price the same. Had I not jumped on the PCX when it first came out I would have a 150. It turns out other then an extra 5 MPH they are much the same but a 150 has a better ring then a 125. I feel the PCX 125 here in the states is an orphan and dealers don't even want them on trade. Oh they will take it but they won't give you much for it. The 150's seem to be holding value much better.
  8. bikeridermark

    bikeridermark Long timer

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    Shoot! Just now getting broke in!
  9. gizmo309

    gizmo309 Adventurer

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    This should be on straight from the factory. IF I make the switch to the Forza I'll have one of these installed before I'd take it home. I wish the silver was coming to the US but the red looks good too. Can't wait to see one in person and to sit on it. If it feels more like a Burgman 400 than a Reflex I'm 95% sold.

    Bob
  10. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    There's no proof for this.

    One single piece of information that IS available says that the Forza
    and SH300i have peak torque at the SAME revs, and Forza has LESS
    torque, just as it has less power. It's more likely it's just a less powerful
    engine to conform to emissions regulations that keep getting worse and
    worse.
  11. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    $50 fix.
    Dr Pulley sliders.

    I'd forget about the Forza if I had the Majesty.
  12. sendler

    sendler Been here awhile

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    That is a great collection of machines. I'm sure that I am not the only one here that would love to see you start a thread to give us some comparisons on all of them. I know it would take hours of writing to even scratch the surface of a collection like that but maybe someday when you get the time you could enlighten us.
  13. Dabears

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    Please- would love to see some pictures of all those lined up. Impressive! Where do you get the time to ride them all? :eek1
  14. cbolling

    cbolling Here...Hold my Beer.

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    Yea, we need pics of this stable.
  15. JerseyBiker

    JerseyBiker Living the life!

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    +1!
  16. JerseyBiker

    JerseyBiker Living the life!

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    Why would it take me that long? :rofl

    Hey, I'm no match for some of the other guys in this thread! The difference is I sell and buy scoots. Some of these guys ONLY buy! :clap
  17. longhaul747

    longhaul747 Been here awhile

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    I will have to look into this mod. My Majesty is an 05 and was purchased used last year with 10K on the clock. It is very well maintained and never seen rain. When I picked it up it shined better then new. Only fault I discovered was the hanging clutch. It seems to take a long time to fully grab and does not seem to completely grab until the 15 or 20 MPH mark. Once it does it moves with authority but until then you are asking for a BMW Enema.

    Also with my wife on the back climbing a very steep driveway at my folks house it almost did not make it. It did but the clutch was slipping like mad.

    I heard the 05's had weak clutches but I believe they all do stock anyway.

    In addition to all the scooters I also have an 06 Kawasaki Concours, 06 Kawasaki Ninja 500, 09 Kawasaki KLX250S, 05 KLR650 plus an 03 SV1000S and an the naked version an 03 SV1000N.

    I am not done yet as I am trying to locate a Zuma 125. Dealer friend had a leftover 2011 for $2,599 plus T&L but he sold it before I had a chance to buy it. Been trying to locate one used but so far no luck. Its not a high priority so I can wait.

    The truth is I don't seem to have time to ride them all. Especially in rainy Seattle. Most were purchased used and I took advantage of the weak economy and got some screaming deals on them. For example my 04 Silverwing only had 1,500 miles when I bought it but was clean and well maintained with all sorts of records in the book. It was owned by a Boeing engineer who was fascinated with maintaining it but never road it. Only flaw is it got attacked by some garden tools stored above it so it needed a new windshield and lots of buffing and a respray in a spot. My price was $1,800.

    My SH150i was owned by a commuter and had 3K hard miles and had been dropped plus it was very dirty and appeared to have some corrosion on it perhaps from Salt covered roads. I got that one for $1,200. Seems to run fine. After cleaning it up and neutralizing whatever salt may be on it plus so very careful paint work it looks very good now.

    In total I have 13 bikes witch is double what I really want. I have plans to get rid of some and get newer ones but for what mine are worth and what the new bikes cost its not easy. I do most of my own work on them so that saves a lot of money and since not a single bike gets ridden to death they never seem to have serious issues.

    I would to pull them all out of the garage and get a big fat picture but I live in a condo complex and that is not easy plus all the neighbors look and gawk. Its bad enough when I have to pull some out to get a bike in the back of the garage I want to ride. However in the coming days I will try and get a picture of them squeezed into the garage. Its a real puzzle.
  18. John Bentall

    John Bentall Been here awhile

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    Sorry to disagree, but according to the UK sales brochure I have in my hand:
    SH300 Power 20Kw@8,500 Torque 26.5Nm@6,000
    Forza Power 17.9Kw@8,250rpm Torque 25.7Nm@6,000 rpm

    So the Forza has 10% but 3% less torque.

    I stand by my assertion that the Forza has been tuned for torque rather than power.

    The argument can only be settled on the dyno - but why have an argument in the first place, since it's not going to change anything?
  19. John Bentall

    John Bentall Been here awhile

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    Sorry to disagree,

    What matters is not the maximum torque, but the entire torque curve. That's why the argument can only be settled with the dyno, but why have an argument, when this won't actually change anything.
  20. sendler

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    The sliders go in the front variator and using lighter ones will increase the rpm that the bike pulls at for any given throttle position to get more power to the road. They won't fix a slipping centrifugal clutch in the back. Your clutch must need some new parts. Maybe the aftermarket knows about the issue and can offer some improvements.