Honda Helix find

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by hapbob, Jun 18, 2017.

  1. hapbob

    hapbob Been here awhile

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    Advice from all you Helix owners or experts still out there in scooter land.

    I just bought a 2004 Honda Helix with 400 miles.
    What maintenance would you do before riding it?

    Hap
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  2. villageidiot

    villageidiot Long timer

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    Engine oil, air filter, coolant, tires, brake fluid where applicable

    Rip it.
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  3. gasandasphalt

    gasandasphalt Been here awhile

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    Change the oil and GO!!! The He!ix has no way of knowing it is 2017, it thinks it is still 2004...
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  4. villageidiot

    villageidiot Long timer

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    after 13 years, the coolant has begun to break down and coagulate.

    after 13 years, the brake fluid (if applicable) has soaked up a buncha moisture etc, best to flush it out.

    after 13 years, the tires are at minimum, not as soft and pliable as they used to be. and what about the tubes??

    after 13 years, a multitude of lives can be living in the airbox, the paper element (or foam) breaks down.

    do yourself a favor, spend a couple hundred bucks on it, and ensure yourself a decent ride for more time to come.
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  5. Wentwest

    Wentwest How's that work?

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    Check the lubricant level in the rear reduction gearbox.
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  6. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    About what everyonce else said . Just also google honda helix oem service manual .pdf and you ll find it for free. I would also check out the tank to see if there s rust and clean the carb . Whom knows if that last guy just road it and let the old gas dry up .
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  7. hapbob

    hapbob Been here awhile

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    All good
    The suggestions from you guys is the plan.
    I checked the gas tank before I bought
    I had one rust once and it was a never ending problem.
    I don't think it has tubes in tires and tires don't feel hard and I think I will just burn them off with riding it. Rear tires don't last long on a helix !
    Thanks guys for inputs
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  8. Wentwest

    Wentwest How's that work?

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    The tires are tubeless. Check the tire valves carefully, wiggle them around and pull on them too. They can get crispy and crack, and they do fly off with no warning at all. A blow out at 60 mph can wake you up really fast. And kill you.
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  9. minimac

    minimac Been here awhile

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    I agree with what Wentwest said about valve stems. I had one split on me while riding on the highway. The front suddenly going flat gave me a severe pucker moment.
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  10. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    Tires are 120 bucks to buy a set . Cheaper to spend the cash now then on the doctors if something goes wrong . I once had tire go flat just as I slowed down for a hwy exit on my old helix. Reason trusting a tire shop to fix a flat . Motorcycle tires age from the inside out . Front tire on a helix about 8000 K . Rear tire about 3500 K.
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  11. EvrythingAwesom

    EvrythingAwesom Long timer

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    Are the tires not tubeless? That would be a deal-breaker, for me.
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  12. Smaug1

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    I'd be most worried about the carb gummed up from old fuel. Might need a new carb.

    The tire issues seem blown out of proportion to me. The main thing that ages tires and makes them hard is sunlight. If it was in a GARAGE for 13 years, that's quite different from being outside. They might still be perfectly fine. Tires themselves are not expensive, but having them replaced often doubles the overall cost.
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  13. CMS

    CMS Been here awhile

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    At 13 yrs storage ,I would replace all on your list ,especially the tires/ battery. IMHO you only have two tires, I'm not a fan of old or marginal tires, It's worth the money to replace them to me. cms
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  14. Wentwest

    Wentwest How's that work?

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    I sure would like to know how it's going with this Helix. We all have our wisdom, but I'd like to know how hapbob is doing.
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  15. bandito2

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    All the beat up, crashed, neglected and worn down Reflex scooters I ever bought off ebay got complete
    fluid changes; coolant, brake fluid, final drive gear oil and engine oil, fuel tank emptied out and refilled
    with fresh gasoline. Most times the air filter needed replacing, some needed fuel filter changed and most
    also got a new battery. Some got tires replaced right away, some were still under 7 years in age, but got
    ridden until they needed to be replaced due to wear. (I know 6 years in age is often recommended, but
    they showed no typical signs of excess aging so they were used as is with no issues.) Some drive belts
    were replaced with the old one saved as a temporary spare often times, but not always... depended on
    clues of degree of neglect, miles/age of bike and/or on history given about the scooter.

    Fuel tanks are always checked for rust. (I've been lucky so far with that not being a problem) All hoses
    were inspected for signs of unacceptable degradation or evidence of leaking. Only recently I needed to
    change a small hose for the carb heater that had become hard and would no longer keep it from leaking
    at one of the nipples... Even though I tried a couple times cutting off a little bit of the old hose hoping it
    would hold... NOPE, so it was replaced with newer hose. To me it just seemed prudent to change all the
    fluids on the bike regardless; that way there was no question about fluids quality. Again, I've been lucky I
    think so far that none needed carb cleaning. Most would start and run fine after fresh fluids and a new
    battery. Also, inspecting for signs of leakage (oil or coolant) around the engine was always done. Oh, and
    checking for leaking from shocks front and rear gets done. Electrical problems would make themselves
    evident early on usually and would be tracked down and resolved as they were encountered.

    Once, I was tearing my hair out trying to figure out why one of the bikes I got wouldn't run right and was
    blowing steam out the exhaust but with no compression problem, no coolant in the oil, nor any oil in the
    coolant. Finally tracked it down to a "repair" error by the PO who had erroneously swapped some small
    vacuum lines and the carb heater coolant hose. That was fun... not! That mildly damaged bike had only
    about 8000 miles on it and that was the only mechanical issue it had as far as operational things were
    concerned.

    In any event, one should go over everything methodically with any "new to them" bike.
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  16. Wentwest

    Wentwest How's that work?

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    Hey @bandit02. I had exactly the same experience with a Reflex, coolant line plugged into vacuum port. It's amazing that they run like that, but the steam was impressive, and after I swapped the hoses back it cleared up with no obvious damage done.
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  17. hapbob

    hapbob Been here awhile

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    Well changed all fluids
    Looked it over and rode it about 1000 miles this summer
    Started to notice a slight squeal from rear area before I put it away for winter
    I will open up the side case and inspect the belt etc
    Before the season next year.

    Rides like new solid machine.

    Hap
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  18. Wentwest

    Wentwest How's that work?

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    Thanks for the update. You might want to check the bearings in the swing arm on the right side, and check the rear transmission for adequate oil.
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