Honda NC700XD - DCT - Dual Clutch Transmission review

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Lars1974, Mar 14, 2013.

  1. Lars1974

    Lars1974 Been here awhile

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    Hi all,

    I dont think we have thread yet about Honda's NC700X DCT on here so As I picked up a new one of them today as my new daily transport, I thought I start one...

    So here it goes:

    Having spend the last 4 months on the manual version of the NC700x and covering 1200miles - see thread
    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=841952
    I Finally managedto switch to a DCT today.
    I first rode the DCT on the VFR1200F in 2010 and liked it than already. But for the short rev range NC engine its even more suited and the second generation DCT is matching this engine perfectly.

    Here are a few photos I took today on my first ride home from the office

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    First things first: I had a chance to get an Akrapovic slip on exhaust for testing and before the bike was fired up for the first time - I changed the pipes over....

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    These are official Honda accessory and fitment was a piece of cake...sounds very nice - understated, yet the mide range torque is up versus the manual one which i had with stock exhaust. It is also about half the weight of the stock item.

    Here is another pic from the right side

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    Being the DCT the bike does no longer have a clutch lever or a gear leaver...instead it has a handbrake! Paddles for manual up and down shifts and a mode selector for D mode, which should actually be called E for economy mode, as in this the bikes shift automatically and very quickly up so that revs are kept low and fuel is being saved! In this mode you are in 6th / top gear at around 40mph!
    S mode is more sporty and the gear longer held and it changes down quicker too. At any stage you can always shift up and down with the left side handlebar paddles..

    I will do a more detailed DCT review later if you want!

    Anyway here a last pic for of the Dashboard.

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    Only difference to the manual version is the inclusion of a gear and mode indicator.

    Anyway, i will monitor the mpg and performance and report frequently.
    Enjoy,
    Lars
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  2. Lars1974

    Lars1974 Been here awhile

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    of course whilst changing the exhaust we had to also check how she sounds without a muffler...

    http://youtu.be/D9w7emh5my4

    we earned a few strange looks but Boys will be Boys! :D
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  3. Olirider

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    Yes, please, I would be interested.
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  4. Lars1974

    Lars1974 Been here awhile

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  5. Coachgeo

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    Having never seen the handle bars on this bike......... could you explain more please........ aka........ what the hell is a paddle?:huh

    Is this a computer controlled CVT tranny?
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  6. mr openroad

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    I have very mixed emotions on the CVT trans but it might be perfect for this motor please do tell more! :ear
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  7. bobobob

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    It's not a CVT. It's a six speed with a dual clutch.
    It has two auto modes and a manual mode that you use
    the paddles to shift with, The first auto mode is an economy
    mode and shifts as early as possible for best fuel economy.
    The S auto mode holds the shifts longer for faster perfomance
    in auto mode. Both can be overriden by using the paddles.
    The manual mode is fully manual, without the need for clutching
    or shifting with a foot shifter. It works brilliantly according to reviews.

    HTH
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  8. showkey

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    It's not a CVT. It's a six speed with a dual clutch


    Needs to be said louder:lol3
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  9. mr openroad

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    thanks :1drink
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  10. mr openroad

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    WHAT? :lol3
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  11. ronandkat

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    Is it similar to the system honda used on its ATV's? Particularly the Rubicon? I have know two people that had the standard ES on a 450 atv, and two different Recon 250 atvs. All 3 systems failed, however they did have a spare foot shifter that could be mounted in case of an emergency and shift gears. On those bikes it was the Angle sensor that failed.
    What your describing, sounds a bit more like whats on their rubicon ATV, where you can have an auto mode but still shift electroncially as well?

    Guess im wondering if your bike has any kind of spare shifter for the foot, should an emergency arise?
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  12. Lars1974

    Lars1974 Been here awhile

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    hi all,

    i found a good video which explains how the DCT-transmission works in detail

    http://youtu.be/y_CCHJq-LVo

    hope this helps.
    Thanks
    Lars
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    I feel dishonest calling it a six speed whenever somebody asks me about it. I always have to end the sentence with a "but the sixth is an overdrive".
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  14. GrahamD

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    All you have to say, with a straight face. is "it's just like a Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe'.
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  15. Sheller

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    I have never liked the sound or power delivery of parallel twins. The sound of the Honda has not changed this. I won't say it isn't an interesting and most likely a very impressive commuter bike, but I just do not like it.

    Mostly because without a clutch lever... how the hell do you clutch up wheelies?
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  16. dduelin

    dduelin Amazing grace how sweet the sound....

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    Regarding the sound and power delivery of the NC700.....with its 270 degree crank it acts and sounds like a 90 degree V twin with a common crankpin. Most unparallel twinlike.
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  17. Sheller

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    Ah. I'd like to ride it then. See how it behaves.

    I rode a BMW F800ST for a bit and I hated the "twingle" setup. I had a short blast around a friends neighborhood on his older Ninja 250, but its carbs were so messed up I don't think it would be fair to judge.
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  18. Lars1974

    Lars1974 Been here awhile

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    short update:

    given all the cold weather lately in the UK - I only today managed to get to reserve light on the fuel gauge and I promptly re-fueled after having done 181 miles. The bike took 11.62l = 70.8 mpg.

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    people still look upon you with strange eyes when you put the fuel hose into the pillion seat:D:blast

    Anyway, hopefully spring is on its way soon and I can put more miles on and get the next tank emptied quicker!
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    ++++++10 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SPRING:clap:clap
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  20. Lars1974

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    Update:

    Yesterday I did remove the db killer from the akrapobic exhaust, now the bike sounds much better... Almost like my Buell (but the Uly still wins any noise contest!):D

    I took a quick vid with the ipad.

    http://youtu.be/fqHFrhOqDgA

    As you can see that I have not yet even worn the tyres to the edge, it been too cold and wintery here in England....
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