Honda? Or yamaha?

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by MudcatAK, May 3, 2011.

  1. MudcatAK

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    Which would you buy if you were looking for a reliable scoot? And is there a dual sport scoot like the trail 70/90 used to be out there?
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  2. baloneyskin daddy

    baloneyskin daddy bikaholic

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    Seeing as neither makes a mid size anymore ,I'd look at Sym, Kimco, Piaggio, even some of the Cinese 250s are decent for the money. If you want big I'd go Suz Burgman 400-650. Lookin 150 and down its a toss up except for the Chinese,don't even go ther unless your handy with tools.
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  3. LarryRickenbacker

    LarryRickenbacker Been here awhile

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    Howdy,

    In these days of a shaky economy, having an established dealer (Yamaha or Honda) with ready access to parts and service makes sense.
    Buying a Honda or Yamaha scooter would be a logical choice. I recently bought a Honda Sh150i and enjoy the peace of mind one has with a good dealer, parts availiblity and good service. To each his own and good luck!

    PS: Don't forget about Yamaha's excellent Zuma 125.
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  4. aidanpryde18

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    The Yamaha Zuma or Honda Ruckus would probably be the closest to a DS that either company makes now.

    The Sym Symba is a Cub clone with a 102cc engine. It could be kitted out as a dual-sport and I'm sure with a little googling you could find many people who have already done so. Syms are known for being reliable although in the unlikely event that you do have issues, they are having problems with their supplier network right now that are well documented here as well as across the scooter blogosphere.

    As for reliability between the two, that would be a toss-up, especially in the small scoot department as they are simple designs to begin with.

    Also, you might look into the Sachs MadAss. It is not the most reliable bike by far, but it is easy to work on if there are any issues and it could be any bike you want it to be.
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    PinkSteel Been here awhile

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  6. kconville

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    I agree. I think Kymco, Piaggio, and maybe Genuine could be added to the list.

    I want a SYM HD200 but didn't buy a new-old stock one because of their ambiguous future here in California. I think SYM will work it out but I'd be hesitant with some of the more obscure brands and would avoid anything mainland Chinese.
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  7. MudcatAK

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    Well I do want to shy away from the china models due to some issues with reliability and honda and yamaha both have nice rides
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  8. JerseyBiker

    JerseyBiker Living the life!

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    I'd buy either a Honda or Yamaha without concern for reliability - so, it would be whatever model I liked best or, perhaps, what dealer is closer (tho' they don't spend much time at a dealer so that probably wouldn't affect my choice.)

    I've owned a Symba and an HD200 and find SYM to be excellent quality, right up with the other 2 manuf. I think Sym will work out it's problems so parts won't be an issue. The Symba 110 was just too slow for my type of riding but otherwise it would be on my list of scooters to consider.

    My .02 and worth what you paid for it! ::deal
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  9. Tacoma

    Tacoma Been here awhile

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    The reason I choose Yamaha over Honda is I "HATE" the local Honda Dealers.
    Honda Dealers in my area are stuck up, rude, inconsierate and they think they can get away with that cause their product will sell no matter what!
    Just like one Honda Dealer told me, he sells enough bikes, makes enough money that he can choose what customers he doesn't want!
    In a way he's correct, people still buy Honda even when its priced much higher than Yamaha and Suzuki.
    I wanted the Suzuki Burgman 650, (never considered the Honda Silver Wing) only one dealer within 100 miles stocked the Burgman, he wanted full msrp price, plus $400 prep charge, wouldn't sell it to me at a fair reduced price, so I got the Yamaha Tmax for a bargain and have been very happy with it.
    It comes down to what dealer I like the best on what brand I buy.
    Very happy with my Yamaha Dealer, he knows me by my first name, treats me good, I buy everything from him, parts, clothing, helmets. he treats me good and I treat him good.
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  10. btcn

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    I think their both good and almost identical as far as quality for the most part.

    Personally almost ALL of my bikes have been Hondas ever since my first Honda Trail bike and first little motorcycle which was a 50 cc scooter.

    No particular reason, Honda just had what I was looking for. But if I was looking for a certain type of bike, say a Cruiser and the Yamaha's Roadstar made the most sense money wise and such, I'd never hold back on buying one.

    As far as older scoots, most say Hondas typically hold up better. The Honda Elite 150/250 scoots tend to be better overall than the Yamaha Riva 180/200. Not that the Yamahas were bad, they just had horrible choke issues and were air cooled. Their fine, but the Honda Elite 150/250 and Helix motors are good for 100K+ miles with proper care and maintenance.

    In my experience Hondas are generally the most easy starting, reliable and smooth bikes. I can't speak for Yamaha as I haven't owned any. But I also have owned Suzuki and had experience with them, and I can say they are also built great but don't start NEARLY as easy as Hondas and the Hondas seem to be nicer in some cases. But still, some Suzuki are just great. Like the Burgman 650 vs. Silver wing is more of a matter of dealer/price options and styling preference over witch is actually "better".


    And as for Dual Sport Trail style scooters, yes there are a lot of Honda Trails available on Craigslist all over the place. BUT what kind of riding are you looking for? The Trails are fun bikes, but their 6 volt electrical system and points ignition seem to have some issues.

    Their slow and top out at about 40 MPH stock, which is fine for Trails and around town, but even on high speed backroads the Trails are going to be close to WOT. But you can always drop in a Lifan 140 cc motor and hit 65+ MPH for about $350.
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  11. aidanpryde18

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    So true. At the level of quality we're talking about, you have to look at the intangibles. Feeling comfortable walking in to your local shop and knowing they are there to help you versus just looking to get money out of you is so important.
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  12. wanna bECO

    wanna bECO Been here awhile

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    i'd have a different criteria as I don't buy new, just poor that's all, so I don't do it.

    I love that you are open to either so let this be your guide.

    I would narrow it down to the two that I liked. quality will be about equal so this is what I would want to get into. How difficult is it to service. Is there a nagging and annoying service interval on a particular part that would annoy the shit out of me.

    Let me give you a for instance. I own a few Honda passports. They have a screen inside them that is supposed to be cleaned every 6k. This thing is easy to get too, but putting the dam thing back together is a bitch. You have to assemble all those freaking clutch parts and it sux. On the symba, the oil screen is located in the exact spot on that engine as on the honda, however on the new sym, they have located a little door for very simple removal and reinstall, and the clutch doesn't get touched. Hell I would clean it every day if it were that easy. Having done it once on my daily driver I will never do it again, I will kill myself first. :cry
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  13. topless

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    I bought a left-over 2009 Yamaha Zuma 125 last Sept (on sale for $2450.00). I'm about to roll over 2000 miles on it. I've changed the oil the way I always do on new motors, 50-100-250-500-1000 and soon 2000 miles. I would never buy another carbed bike. Mine is stock accept for I remove the air silencer. Every chance I had through the winter and now everyday, I ride 25 miles round trip to work.
    I got one flat, fixed it with Slime. I checked the valves@ 600 miles and @1500 miles. No adjustment needed either time.
    I get between 70-85 mpg, it was lower in the cold. I can run 55 mph anytime I want (I'm 5'10" and 200 lbs) not including my full gear.

    I have absolutely no complaints about this scooter. It does exactly what I want and it will go over dirt & gravel with the stock suspension (which has gotten much smoother after about 1500 miles) and the stock dual sport Kenda tires. I carry my lunch box under the seat instead of behind me like I did on my KLX400 and Ct90 before.

    One more benefit, cops never even look at you, even if your speeding. I was doing 55 in a 40 one day, never even got a sideways glance. The Zuma is a lot quicker than it looks and is a great size, it looks small but is larger than the 50cc scoots, yet isn't cumbersome at all.
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  14. LarryRickenbacker

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    Howdy,

    Topless, you made a wise decision. With Yamaha's reliable Zuma 125 you get not only a very good bike, but the dealer network. Looking forward to more posts!
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  16. wanna bECO

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    Never been on a zuma but they are definitely one of my favorite scoots... looks and reputation wise. If only yamaha would put that motor in the body of a C3. Then you would have a 125 cc ice chest... lots of storage and lots of speed.... bad ass! :evil
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  17. RipperFarms

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    Have you looked at these?? They are new the last couple of years

    The replacement for the Honda Trail 90 or Trail 110

    Not saying to buy one .... I would probably stay with the Honda or Yahama

    http://www.gadgetking.com/2009/07/07/sachs-madass-125-is-one-badass-scooter/
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  18. cbolling

    cbolling Here...Hold my Beer.

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    LOVE my Zuma 125.

    Check out the link below in my sig. for lots of pics.
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  19. cdwise

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    What has the best dealer support where you live?

    I'm an Italian scoot person and don't care for the looks of the Hondas or Yamahas available here (okay the Vino is acceptable and the Metropolitan is cute but 50cc isn't where its at for me). As for reliablity the Genunie Scooter Company Buddy has been rock solid even with a teenage boy riding it. I've nothing but good things to say about them.

    Seriously, though I wouldn't have reliablity concerns about any of the Honda or Yamahas.

    I'lll agree with the others that the closest thing to a dual sport scooter would be the Ruckus or Zuma unless you want to go with a Madass but that's really more of a small motorbike than a scooter.
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  20. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    Honda for anything 1980 to 2000. After that both of them make good bikes. Some of the yamaha forom 1980 like the riva have nightmare carb set ups.
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