Honda preparing Dakar assault

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  1. too old

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    Dual apparantly :1drink
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    Pretty sure those are tank vent lines...

    Bike looks awesome. The design on those front tanks is ace - keeping the CofG really tight.

    The Dakar just got a whole lot more interesting! :clap
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    Hopefully come October 14th we'll get our grubby hands on some bivouac pics in Morocco... :lol3

    The more I look at it, the more questions / queries I have

    .. paging Troy .... paging Troy ...

    :rofl
  4. Brodovitch

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    Good points... discuss...

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    Those are Air vents - that's why they are right at the top of the tank...

    If I had to speculate, I would guess that the top tank is probably not really a "tank" at all, but just a glorified filler neck leading to two hefty hoses (maybe 1" or more) to allow for reasonable fill speeds. :gerg
  6. Brodovitch

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    But if the sides are connected to the centre tank (I agree, with a large diameter feeder hose), wouldn't the one breather hose in the centre tank be enough?

    (Theory of communicating vessels etc?)
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    640 Armageddon Do or Do Not. There is no try.

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    One vent would suffice if the tanks are connected together and if the geometry is simple Complex geometries may need more breathers and I think may be this is the case here. It is way too small in diameter to achieve proper flow rates. In the pictures, it seems smaller than the breather above. If I had to guess I would put my money on the breather. I am just thinking out loud :huh
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    Leaving for Orange or being asked to leave? I would have though Quinn, at least a more recent experienced rider for Dakar, but surely JC must have known about the HRC plans prior to QC leaving the team, right?
  9. too old

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    Ha ha - you can speculate on that one forever, but I don't believe any of the Honda riders had a sniff until April/May, but the powers that be must have on the case for a while before that?:1drink
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    well now this looks promising

    can't wait to see one of these with the shrouds off
    some folks may go very very fast on this bike

    JC on a bike!!!
    2013 will be epic
    maroco cant come fast enough
    :kboom
  12. too old

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    51 mm forks :D

    Looks that they may have taken a leaf out of the F1 manual also - front filler cap, the plastic is raised and suspect that there is a free airflow (ram air) through the upper level of the bike into the air box :clap:clap:clap
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    So it seems like the gas tank are down low and I understand that, you want the weight as low as you can get it. However the tank hugging the engine so closely, don't you think with the heat in SA and all the issues we heard about boiling fuel that it could be an issue for those guys? On the other hand heat rises so it may be better to have those tanks down low rather than straight above the engine, especially when the air is not moving very much...

    I figure that Honda has already thought about this and they optimized it, I was just wondering
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    "My participation in the DAKAR rally over the past few years has been an amazing experience. I have been working very hard to bring the enthusiasm and attention of the USA to this prestigious global event. I am excited to be part of Honda's official DAKAR race team and committed to it's success. My role will be to provide consultant, development, rider and mechanical services as needed to the project. Our first race will be a shakedown for the team and bike at the Morocco Rally, beginning in just a few short weeks." -- Johnny Campbell

    For a minute I read that and thought he was not riding but managing the team... weird

    more here
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    I think as much as anything he will be riding support for Helder; certainly wouldn't use the W word, but I don't think he will be flat out for a win. :wink:

    But who knows, the strategies can change on a daily basis in this rally, however Honda will certainly hope it doesn't come to that, but a 5 man factory team could be a bit like a Tour de France team :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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    Ya that certainly doesnt sound like he is riding..well I suppose if Helder was looking for a "w" then JC would be a good one. Navigating, speed, maturity, etc he will be a good addition to the team. Can't wait until january to see how this all works out for HRC :clap
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    Jordi Viladoms (KTM - Bordone Ferrari) ran a nearly perfect stage today. We say nearly because the Catalan rider started very strong in the first part, before losing a little concentration later on. As he explained in his usual calm and direct way: “The second part of the stage was faster than the first. I left the refueling point with a thirty-second lead on the others, but Barreda and Goncalves were able to catch me. I was impressed by their speed, as their bikes were going at least 10 km/h faster than mine. That distracted me a little bit.” That said, Jordi still won the 307 km stage with an advantage of 1'12'' over Jakub Przygonsky (KTM – Orlen team), another rider who was fast in the first half of the stage, “but they lost me towards the end,” the Polish rider explained.

    Quote from the Pharoans site - so, the BMW Husqvarna is 10kph quicker that the KTM 450RR - or the one that Viladoms has at least - so what is that, 170 kpm verses 160 kpm?

    The Aliens will have quicker bikes for sure, wonder what the CRF 450 R top end will be?:yikes
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    From the HRC site

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    "perfectly reflects the idea of a global Honda" - global sales & marketing! - not daft these :D guys :clap

    "Honda of South America branding on the bike" - so budget from SA also?
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    Is there any real chance that a similar production bike will make it to the USA for sale to the general public???

    My guess is no:cry