Honda preparing Dakar assault

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  1. too old

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  2. Brodovitch

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    This alone deserves a thread of it's own. It has been overheard, in hushed and muted conversations, that the 2008 cancellation was more than just about terrorists. One only has to connect the dots, and compare the GNP of the African nations to the SA ones.

    There is also the Berber factor. Back in the early days in Africa, there was a mutual understanding with T. Sabine that the Berbers allowed the rally to pass unharmed in exchange for all the leftover scrap the competitors left behind, and maybe a few other concessions as well. Somewhere along the way, that agreement changed. Also, if I am not mistaken, E. Lavigne is ex French military, though I have yet to find any info on his service record, and wether he was involved in the french North African campaign of the 50s 60s 70s (Algeria etc).

    As I said, discussion for a different thread.
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    Back on topic :deal

    I can't grasp why Hélder is constantly runnng out of fuel. We are pretty sure that the 3 HRC bikes running are identical, right? Why don't the others suffer? Javier even had enough the other day to donate to Hélder.

    My guess is still that is he isn't topping up his tanks (30L), instead he's calculating (wrongly) the amount he will only need for the stage until refuel. I don't believe the injection settings aren't correct, otherwise his bike wouldn't run properly to keep up front.

    How much more fuel does a Baja Honda burn that a "stock bike", anybody care to share? :ear
  4. larryboy

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    I can take a trail ride 45-50 mpg Honda thumper and punish it down to 23 mpg, I can easily see a dune section with a throttle happy rider getting into the 15-16 mpg range or less.


    What do we know about the engine in these race bikes? :ear
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    I've got a full house baja motor bought from JCR. It CHEWS fuel. So much more than stock
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    Is there any views on how HRC would have gone with their 2 other guns - Sam and the guy in hospital ?

    I reckon Sam would have motored in this years Dakar
  7. too old

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    Sam has had his plaster removed and has started on physio, still a bit sore but mending.
    He is back on his push bike and in the gym, it will be another few weeks until he is back on the 450 though, but is looking forward to the Desert Challenge in April - that is the current focus.

    No recent news on Philipe, he was still in hospital in the states before Dakar and they said they were hoping to fly him back to Brazil "soon" - nothing since, but it's now been 7 weeks since the accident.
  8. too old

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    From Helder's FB:

    Hey guys I'm back to Portugal, went to this Dakar very well prepared both physically with technically and so, unless one or another mountain stage, never felt really fatigued. This project brought Honda back to Dakar, after the Japanese successes in African competitions the years 80, was filed just six months before the start of the rally and implied that this participation has been a big test for the future. Over the course of the rally we were rectifying, evolving and adjusting all situations that weren't as good as we wanted to, but the whole team has worked tremendously in giving his best and I'm sure the experience in these fifteen days will be extremely important for the future. Honda wants to win the Dakar as a brand and I want to win the Dakar as a pilot. The year 2013 will be hard work, eventually many races and trainings, for a return to the maximum force on the Dakar 2014. I am very pleased by the commitment that Honda did me and I thank you all that I have provided, a thank you is extended to my sponsors, TMN and Red Bull, and all sponsors, the people who work with me throughout the year, to my family, friends and to all of you who supported me in this new stage of my career. :clap



    On the HRC effort the latest video had Yamasaki-San saying they were looking at next year with a new structure, new machine, new team and budget! :eek1

    That could mean a host of things and open season for the speculators, but on the team I would expect that the nucleus will stay, certainly sounds like Helder is? :thumb

    We would expect to see Sam there, still much to show us?:thumb

    Perhaps JC may not be racing next year, but he will of course be around for Honda during the year and we are yet to hear how Philipe is doing, so for the SA input who knows, but Javier did pretty good considering he was Philipe's no. 2.:clap

    For 2013 the season may just be beginning when the feeling for many after the Dakar, is that it is just over! - The annual Rally cycle, is the Dakar the end or the beginning?:lol3:lol3

    Plenty to look forward to during 2013 and leading up to Dakar 2014.

    http://youtu.be/9Kh_Gxf3w5M

    Nice touch with the Brazilian flag
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    Perhaps it was their plan to build a new bike from the ground up for the dakar, but doing so would have meant they would miss this years race. So they threw together a different bike so that they could gain some experience this year.
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    To give the other "pre-DAKAR/HRC" rumour some of our attention for just a moment... and draw a parallel to this latest "development" :deal:evil

    Let's assume (however unlikely one would think this eventuality would be... on the back of this; his fifth win with the Austrian mother company) that Cyril Get'spaid move's to the land of the rising sum and signs with Mr Who'sazuki's team for an obscene amount of spend yen...?

    What's the odds (and how paradoxical would it be) if this "new" bike turns out to be a ladder framed CRF engined bike with a moulded unibody rear subframe/fuel cell... EFI (sorted) and a "brains trust" (behind the rider) that would otherwise take ten years to educate/refine in house at eh? (H) uh? (R) see (C)...? :ear

    In other words... if "Cyril" defects... it WON*T be just Cyril... cause in wasn't "just Cyril" what won dakar 2013...? :evil
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    You mean he's taking Marek Dabrowski with him? :evil
  13. troy safari carpente

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    i'm sure the contract will have something in it about "preferred suppliers" and "spare parts"... so yeah maybe...? :lol3:evil

    I was thinking more about the "legal department" in the bivouac; you know; the bloke who keeps an eye out for ducking the rule book, stepping through loopholes and is on PR/makeup duty keeping that Andorran complexion mud free, the beard trimmed, bandanas ironed... oh, and someone to remember where he left his gloves... :poser
  14. Sparrowhawk

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    And Faria wins for KTM in 2014.:wink:

    HRC looks like it plans to put together an "All Star" team. That's not a bad approach but it's no guarantee for success. As demonstrated by many sporting events utilizing assemblages of stars, the level of play often does not rise to expectations.

    Just using Cyril as an example, HRC may be able to hire his skills, supply him with a competitive ride, and back it all up with a competent support crew and supplies. All of that is necessary for a win but not sufficient. Will HRC also provide the personal trainer who knows just what CD needs to be in top condition on race day? Will HRC proved CD with the kind of personal support that allows him to stay focused on racing and not worries at home? All the other elements such as cultural differences, team dynamics, depth, personal relationships, inspiration, and drive must also align for success.

    KTM is just a piss in the ocean compared to Honda Motor Company yet they have been able to assemble a winning Dakar team for the last 12 years. There is some kind of magic there. No doubt Faria is loyal by nature but there must also be something about the way KTM runs their Dakar effort that makes him give them his blood, sweat, and tears as a support rider. When it comes to Dakar, KTM has something special that drives the team to succeed.

    A good example of that "something special" dates back to the beginning of the last century. Samuel Langley was given $50,000 by the US War Department and $20,000 from the Smithsonian Institute in 1898 to develop a piloted flying machine. He was the head of the Smithsonian, had a seat at Harvard, was well connected, and hired the best minds money could buy. Regardless of all that might, it was a couple of driven brothers and their small team with no college education, working off the profits of a bicycle shop, that first took to the air.
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    Note from Honda about the pilot Felipe Zanol won: "Felipe Zanol won the pilot Team, HRC, who was hospitalized in California (USA), landed in Brazil on Thursday (01/24).

    Zanol won, who crashed during practice in preparation for the Dakar Rally, will continue the sessions of physical therapy here in the country.

    The Honda team is to provide support to the pilot and his family and twists for his full recovery.

    Nota da Honda sobre o piloto Felipe Zanol:

    "O piloto Felipe Zanol, do Team HRC, que estava internado na Califórnia (EUA), desembarcou no Brasil nesta quinta-feira (24/01).

    Zanol, que se acidentou durante os treinos preparatórios para o Rally Dakar, dará continuidade às sessões de fisioterapia aqui no País.

    A equipe Honda segue prestando apoio ao piloto e sua família e torce por sua plena recuperação.

    Moto Honda da Amazônia Ltda."


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  16. too old

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    Great news :clap :clap

    7 weeke to be able to travel, sounds like it going to be a tough road to full recovery,:thumb:thumb for a quick return and to the support from Honda :clap
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    Great news! He must be delighted to be home at last. I hope he will be able to ride again. His last victory was the Sertoes last year, and you can see what a humble an nice bloke he is at the end of this video (09:15).

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  20. husqvarna

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    I reckon Honda should hand over 2014 to JCR for the Dakar.

    Off topic a little; I'm not sure Faria is as fast as Depres (or say, Helder) but then Cyril started as a water carrier with KTM. For sure Faria deserves a decent shot.