Honda Reflex vs Helix

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  1. Lammy1000

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    You found the Reflex too loud after the K-Mod??? Man, you must have very sensitive ears.
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  2. Lammy1000

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    Your inflection lead one to believe that "louder than before" and "didn't justify the louder engibe noise" means your ears are very sensitive, perhaps as sensitive as the persona? Wish my ears were that delicate.
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  3. Bronco638

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    I noticed no difference in exhaust note after the K-Mod. It's still very quiet and I'd have no trouble with the neighbors if I fired it up @ 2AM.
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  4. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    does the reflex have rear disk brakes??
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  5. Lammy1000

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    rear disc brakes is a yes. The left brake handle activates the rear brake pistons and 1 of 3 front brake pistons...linked
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  6. Rottweiler

    Rottweiler I'm a Believer

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    IMHO, the brakes on the Reflex are on par with any big bike.
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  7. Lammy1000

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    The brakes on the Reflex are good, without the extreme braking power of modern sport bikes which fits this type of machine perfectly. My helix (sold to a friend) had wooden feeling brakes until I cleaned around the front brake pistons, lubed the pivot on the handlebar (made an incredible difference! I think I was the first to have lubed them in 14 years/20000 miles) and bleed the brakes.
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  8. Bronco638

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    The location of the rear caliper, on the Reflex, makes it susceptible to road grime. This causes the "whisk-whisk-whisk" sound while riding. If you clean everything and use some silicone to help the seals, the condition that causes the "whisk" sound will be resolved.
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  9. Rottweiler

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    Could you elaborate on that a bit? Thanks.
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  10. Bronco638

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    I KNEW this was coming........ :D

    OK, I have the Honda Shop Manual for the Reflex. I'm on page 16-30 (Chapter 16, page 30). The caliper pin bolt threads thru the caliper while it holds the indicator plate. The un-threaded portion of the pin bolt protrudes into a well in the caliper bracket. The well in the bracket will fill with road grime because the pin boot (between the caliper and the caliper bracket) doesn't seal well. I used silicone to help the pin boot seal better. With grime in the caliper bracket well, the caliper isn't free to 'float' within the bracket due to drag on the pin bolt. Cleaning that bolt and the well resolves the "whisk-whisk" issue. If you can keep the well clean (by helping the boot to seal better), the "whisk" sound shouldn't return.

    To be honest, I always thought the "whisk" sound came from the front rotor/caliper. However, I did a complete job with a system bleed. So, I cannot pinpoint exactly what might have resolved the issue. But, the grime I found in that well makes the most logical sense.
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  11. Coopdway

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    I'd like to see photos :evil
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    I KNEW that was coming too.......:D

    Actually, pictures won't do it justice. I'll need to scan the image from the shop manual. Since it's an exploded view, it'll show all of the parts under discussion.
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  13. Coopdway

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    Don't do it for me; I'm good.....at least in this case.
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    Well, the "whisk" thing seems to be a common issue. And, given the amount of grunge that was in the pin bolt 'socket', it could almost be considered a safety issue, too. So, I'll see if I can't get that image scanned/posted.
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