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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by mtntrails, Jan 20, 2013.
Honda , Yamaha , Suzuki & Kawasaki listen up. Off the couch has spoken.
The only area the japanese make a competitive dirt machine is with their mx bikes......otherwise you're better of buying a new/used euro bike. I think they've given up on everything else........still not sure why tho
Don't fucking listen to me, look around the trails. Look at what riders are riding. I'm just pointing out facts. If that bothers you, it's on you, bro.
Having owned and ridden both, I wouldn't be.
Bikez.com lists a second gen KLR650 at 432lbs wet, and a G650X XChallenge at 317lbs dry. Loading up the G650X with fuel and oil easily gets it in the mid 330's, so again, it's +/- 100 lbs lighter. I've seen numbers for the KLR as high as 440, and numbers as low as 308 for the XC, so I'll stand by the 100lb average difference. I know it's a hell of a lot easier pushing it up into the back of my Toyota Tundra.
I've read the 440 stats for the 08 and up KLR as well........good lord, nothing you take into real dirt should weigh 440lbs.......I don't care what brand it is
When you hit that weight bracket and up, keep it to flat smooth dry hard dirt roads where it belongs 1000cc sportbikes weigh less than that
G650X? They stopped making those 4 years ago...
Exactly. My point though is that the cutback in manufacturing has had nothing to do with the increase in prices. the cutback was driven by the collapse of demand, the price increase has been driven by the exchange rate.
And FYI: Yamaha was still dumping '08 WR250R/Xs in 2010 as well....
Do you ever get out and ride, dude? It seems lke you're always trolling threads like these looking for an opportunity to dump on Jap bikes and praise the holy euros. You joined in 2008 and you have over 7000 posts! Get out and ride once in a while, maybe 2 up with your brazilian wife... You might enjoy it. It will sure beat sitting in front of the computer screen..
Pretty easy to demonize me as some couch-surfing loudmouth, right?
You would be wrong. Very wrong.
I'm out of the enduro game for the moment due to just purchasing a home. For now I'm content with local club ADV rides.
And for work every week.
I think it's comical how worked up people get over my posts. I'm not saying anything inflammatory or untrue. I write shit to dispel myths, period.
It's a fucking machine, people. It doesn't give a shit about you. Fuck, some of you taintsticks are worse than idiots who worship sports teams.
If you don't like what I have to say or are so immature or have such low frustration tolerance that you need to defend your precious motorcycle as if I attacked a family member, join the ignore club.
Or perhaps add something worthwhile to the conversation.
So tell us your expertise riding in your own yard with your laptop and a burrito. Worshiping teams of sports I dont participate in no , but you worship a bike you dont even own. Out of the enduro game ? You were never in the enduro game. It is better to keep your mouth shut and look like a fool , than to open it and forever remove all doubt !
Say what you want but he is right about both the current WR450F and what riders are choosing. Right out of the crate the WR450F needs modifications to run right. That is why every year the offroad magazines invariably do an article on how to make WR450F work. Google throttle stop and WR450F then get back to us. Out of the crate it is about as badass as a DR200.
Then at organized dual sport rides over the last ten years I have seen KTM's go from the rare exotic to the single most common machine. Sure there are still a lot of Japanese bikes. But that is from four companies compared to one and it still looks like a sea of orange. I see way more EXC's than any other single make and model of dual sport. That is just a fact in this area.
I am a product of King Kenny and Hurricane Hannah with a closet full of Yamagear. But that doesn't mean I am willing to sit on my hands and wait for blue unicorns to appear. After a certain point brand loyalty is just stupid. If somebody starts selling better dual sports than KTM I will be on those. Until then orange it is.
Im not anti KTM , Im anti windbag.
Everyone should know that the Euro brands are tops in the dirt, most of the bikes I see in the woods are orange.
And the others are guys who cant afford a ktm.
Still, for a cheap rugged mild dual sport, the Japanese could do a lot better, just by building the right size motor with a sensible transmission, or even keeping what they had and updating it.
All the 250's are fine, except the XT250 maybe, but the lack of mid size bikes kills them.
What with all the Japanese dealers around (less then there used to be) they sell more bikes over all, which ends up having more cheap used Japanese bikes on the market, and they may be a better buy then a used abused and raced KTM.
We want choices, not just the fastest bike in the dirt.
We want something that can do 70 mph for an hour without exploding or needing an oil change, but is good in thick sand, that can loft the front wheel over something, that is going to start and run most of the time with little else then oil changes, that you can get used cheap, and that does not weigh 400 pounds or more.
The guys that want to go really fast will always pick a Euro brand, the ones that want to get there and back without any fuss might pick something else. Those people now have one choice, an old design DRZ and a pocket full of sprockets.
I would love to own a 450cc version of a WR250r that has all of your above features but I (along with many others) am not looking to drop $10k on a bike that I am still going to have to farkle the piss out of in order for it to be right. That sentiment is magnified by the fact that I can get a 250 that does most of what you have asked all the while getting awesome mpg and being at the low end of your hypothetical MSRP. I would rather drop that extra $$ on a road trip.
Long story short: Don't hold your breath that they will build the bike you seek. The best you can do is figure out where it is that you are willing to compromise and buy the bike that fits your needs.
I'm not going to prove my riding heritage to you, scooter. But I guarantee I've ridden many more miles of much more technical terrain in the North-East where I lived for 41 years than you have in Florida
Again, if your vagina gets sandy because I'm stating the truth, put me on ignore. Because clearly you don't have the mental capacity to determine that I'm not insulting your family member.
Or you could add to the conversation. Because as Grreatdog said, I'm not wrong.
But see this is where you are mislead. My riding buddies and I are not fast. Not by a long shot. And we are not rich. But like you, we got tired of heavy, slow bikes in Pine Barrens sugar sand.
So that's why you see so many people riding them. Everyone I know, old men included. Short people, tall people. 99% of them are not racers, and will never race their bike. They don't give a shit about going fast. They just want to lope along in the woods, (try to) loft a wheelie, lay some roost with friends.
Don't let fear rule your decisions.
I live in Florida , Im not from Florida WINDBAG.
Now, now boys. When Yamaha finally releases the WR450R we all know everything will finally be right with the world. Or, at least, it will be right after removing the throttle stop, reprogramming the ECU, pulling the airbox plugs and removing the exhaust restrictor.
Some of the KTMs have throttle stops also. Everything can use a good pipe. Mapping is merely FI speak for tuning.
And sawzall about 40 lbs off it
I'm from FL and I have to say that right there is a bit of dumb sentiment.