Hondas frugal twin NC700C. Not so...

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by CoffeeBaron, Feb 4, 2013.

  1. Crilly

    Crilly Been here awhile

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    How do you know how full the bike was before you started?
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  2. oldenuf

    oldenuf Been here awhile

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    The NC, and I do own one, is a motorcycle which, some magazine testers, have said, "some people just don't get".
    A lot of the owners are very loyal to the machine, and defend it, which I guess is normal. Having owned a Harley 883 Sportster, I am sort of immune to a lot of what is said about what I ride. There are a bunch of things about the new Honda which make it a very good motorcycle aside from it's performance. The ease of maintenance and the cost of owing it are going to be a real plus down the road. A person just needs to know what he wants, as there are motorcycles that fill probably every riders needs, and we certainly don't need to do big modifications to any one of them. So, like you said you would buy something else.

    Art
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  3. seevtsaab

    seevtsaab Been here awhile

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    Fuel mileage figure is probably just a simple matter of the upright ergo's and wind resistance, which squares as a function of speed. VFR has got to be much better aerodynamically especially at 100mph.
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  4. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    Don't be that guy. He's been riding for 14 years and doesn't own a car, I trust that he knows how to check his mpg's. :deal


    Thanks for the report, OP. I really like how the thread was posted at 2:05 :lol3 . While I don't run at 100 mph I'm afraid that I'd return mileage similar to your results since I get 50 mpg on my CBR250R I'll be passing on the NC700, doesn't make sense to be unhappy with the power and only get medicore mileage to go with it.
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  5. ph0rk

    ph0rk Doesn't Care

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    Well, you said:

    I suppose that's more pot-stirring than moaning. Most of the reactions are to your implied expectation that you should get 50-60mpg riding like that. You won't, and you shouldn't expect it on a bike like that. Actually, you probably shouldn't expect it on any bike if the throttle spends as much time all the way open as closed.



    low RPM can help, but if you have to practically hold it at WOT to hit 100 MPH you're gonna suck gas like crazy.

    there are plenty of threads out there with breakdowns of small bikes vs big bikes at high speeds - they tend to get similar mileage and in some cases worse mileage than a bigger displacement bike at those speeds.
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  6. Kafn8td

    Kafn8td Been here awhile

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    `eh my wifes NC gets about 75 mpg when we tour running in the mid 70 mph range. So yeah I call it pretty frugal compared to my KTM SMT (40 mpg) and Triumph speed Triple (45 mpg). She's seen mid 80's at times.
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  7. CoffeeBaron

    CoffeeBaron Italian Stallions

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    No problemo :D, ahh the joys of time zone difference ;) I didn't intend to rock anybodys boat with my opinion, however it was just that- it was my observations on what I feel is a good bike-a different take by a major manufacturer-my personal favourite at that-trying to create something different.

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    I suppose that's more pot-stirring than moaning. Most of the reactions are to your implied expectation that you should get 50-60mpg riding like that. You won't, and you shouldn't expect it on a bike like that. Actually, you probably shouldn't expect it on any bike if the throttle spends as much time all the way open as closed.

    I do see your point totally, and I agree, in hindsight I shouldn't have expected so much from it with those and sustained throttle openings, but I feel it was worth a chance of :pot to make other bikers feed their curiosity and go try out a bike for themselves, not just take for granted what the manufacturer quotes will be fact.
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  8. HONDABIKEPRO

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    my bike holds 5.4 us gallons. 325 miles fuel light comes on, with .7 still in tank. it take 4.7us to fill witch is 69 mile per us gallons, dale [​IMG]
    :clap
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  9. Bugz

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    Do you have a thread on that fuel tank O__O ? Please share!
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  10. Rabon

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    The only way mike bike would hit a 100 mph and get 42 mpg would be to push it off the Sear's Tower. :D
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  11. nbsdave

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    When I read some of these 75 and 80 mpg figures, I'm thinking short shifting <3000 rpm, never exceeding 3500 rpm, and an inability to calculate mileage with odometer readings at the beginning with a full tank, and at the end, after fill up.
    I know the NC700 is a pretty good bike but come on.
    Maybe the rides are all downhill to do that.
    Call me a skeptic,
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  12. chadhargis

    chadhargis Too tall for sportbikes

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    Wonder what my Ninja 1000 gets at 100 mph?

    Humm, time for an extended 100mph run. :)
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  13. GrahamD

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    Yeah, that is really shhhmick!!

    Don't own an NC but I can appreciate a good looking tank when I see one. :clap
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  14. GoonerYoda

    GoonerYoda Hot Dickens Cider

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    I could get to 100mph on my W650. It'll take a bit, but it'll get there. :D
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  15. HONDABIKEPRO

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    you can go to nc700-forum and see more pic on the tank, look for hondabikepro post and fuel tank and skid plates.
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  16. dduelin

    dduelin Amazing grace how sweet the sound....

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    When I calculate exact mileage I use a correction figure for the odometer that changes over time as the rear tire wears or I just use GPS mileage. I also ride a loop and buy gas for a mpg check at the same station and same pump at the beginning and end to eliminate pump calibration errors.

    After 9,600 miles I don't check the mileage much any more as I pretty much know what it returns for what kind of riding I am doing with it. The really high mileage numbers I get are just as you think. In order to get 80+ US mpg you are staying in the most efficient range of the engine and staying under 60 mph in flat terrain. I don't ride like that often but sometimes it is fun to try and eke out the phenomenal numbers this bike can give.

    Take a look at this and tell me how I made mistakes and what you would do differently:

    Comparative gas mileage ST1300 vs NC700X

    One of the magazines I like to read, Bike, has a gas mileage loop that they ride test bikes on in order to gather a number for MPG comparisons but I don't know how they control the variables. The EU has a rolling road test (dynometer) that all new motorcycles are given in order to get a MPG figure similar to our EPA test for cars and trucks but I don't know how well the EU figures relate to the real world. These published numbers piqued my curiosity however and it had been eons since I checked the ST1300 mileage so I laid out a 100+ mile loop of local roads and rode my NCX and ST on it back to back on a recent weekend morning. I tried to simulate a cross country ride the way I actually would ride it which included passing vehicles at highway speeds and riding briskly. The loop included about 25% interstate and the rest posted 55 mph country roads that run through a few small towns. Within my own limitations I tried to ride both loops identically and surprisingly the loops came out 2 minutes apart and within 1 MPH moving average. I filled up at a particular pump at a gas station and refilled at the end of the loop at the same pump to reduce variation from different pump calibration. I filled the tanks to approximately the same mark on the fill area of the opening. I rode the first loop alone and the second one with my friend Steve on his Moto Guzzi Griso. That is a beautiful Italian machine.

    First up was the NC700X:

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    Then the ST1300:

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    I was not surprised the NC delivered an increase in mileage of 54% over the ST1300. The average mileage on the ST's information center has been at 42.1 MPG for thousands of miles and and have been getting between 65 and 75 MPG practically every tank on the new bike but what I think is surprising to me is how the NC has made me think about how I ride and the compromises that manufacturers have been selling us based on horsepower wars of the last forty years. The NC700X is basically a 50 hp, 475 lb bike that tops 110 mph. My recently departed 1981 BMW R100 was basically a 50 hp 475 lb. bike that topped 110 mph. The R100 delivered an average 40 MPG on regular gas. Of course the ST1300 does things the NC700X cannot do as well but if some of the efficiencies of the new Honda can be designed into big touring bikes large increases in MPG can be achieved with little loss in performance. It's nice to have a tourer with 150 hp but I find it really isn't needed, at least for me and what I need a bike to deliver. There are large differences in weather protection of course but the little bike actually has a higher allowable passenger and cargo weight. If buyers want a touring bike like this I hope Honda provides it. A lot of us are looking for Honda to bring us a new ST and I hope it brings some of these efficiencies to the sporty tourer class. ​
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  17. Davidc83

    Davidc83 Been here awhile

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    I dont know why a 700 cc twin cant easily get to 100mph. I have a 650cc thumper and i can get it to 100mph fairly easy, with the top end of over 110mph. I know how to calculate MPGs, have done it for years. My 650 thumper gets 70mpg at 70mph, if I run extended miles at 80-85mph, I get around 60mpg; however, if I ride extended miles at 45mph (Blueridge parkway) my bike gets over 80mpg.
    I am going to the Indy bike show in a couple of weeks; I am going to look at the nc700 and the cb500x.
    I also have a 805cc cruiser which gets 52-55mpg doing 70mph (and it weighs 600lb).
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  18. Bazzaz

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    So Bazzaz is really wanting to make a fuel controller for the NC700X. My concern is that we're not going to be able to get it to do any better than the fuel millage numbers it's supposed to do stock, like 70mpg or something ridiculous. So those of you who own this bike, what are you looking for? If I can get you more power, are you going to be happy with that, or will I need to try and make a map that will beat the stock mpg numbers? Or control units do hold two maps which can be toggled between via the map select circuit on the harness; so maybe make a power map and then leave the other one blank so you can go back to stock fueling when you need the mileage.

    I value your guys' opinion, consider this a market research question.

    And if you're in SoCal and you want yours to be the guinea pig, I'll give you a free fuel controller and custom map.
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  19. Banksy

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    Hi Bazzaz

    I'm getting 75mpg Imp out of my NC at the moment. Thing is I think Honda did a great job with the fueling, Its smooth, does great mpg and has some nice torque. If you could get more power from it its going to be at the expense of some mpg?
    I guess most NC riders would say if they wanted more power they would of bought a different bike... I maybe wrong.. Lets see what some others want...:ear
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  20. eatpasta

    eatpasta Lawnmower Target

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    im curious about this bike....

    when you ride do you find yourself wanting more revs? and how the bike overall?
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