Horsepower & Weight - What's your bike like and is it enough?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by ParrotheadJeff, Apr 29, 2012.

  1. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    Ducati Streetfighter 1098. 155 hp at the crank, around 140 to the ground, flat torque curve from 4K to redline of around 80 ft-lbs. Weighs about 400 lbs now after some weight reduction mods. That figures to 2.8 lbs/hp.

    After an ECU reflash and a gearing change, it's able to deal with normal suburban traffic, but it really prefers open roads. Power is more than enough for anything I want to do, and without having to scream it like a triple or an I-4.
  2. Aussijussi

    Aussijussi Long timer

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    990 adv, 90 something hp, weigh's just on 200 kg, i am thinking of getting the 690, less power but lot lighter, more fun i reckon!
  3. SteelJM1

    SteelJM1 Undercover KTM rider

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    DR650: enough power to get me into trouble, I don't wish for more despite its weight because too much power would mean too much fast on too heavy a bike on too hard a trail.

    SV1000C: "HOLY SHIT!" is what I say whenever I hop on it after not riding/ riding the DR for a while. Doesn't need more fast. Don't need more Pima County and City of Tucson performance awards either :D
  4. Toto

    Toto Been here awhile

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    I bought a 2009 new old stock CBF1000A a year ago.
    They took an RR motor (04 I think) and knocked about 70 some odd hp off it.
    You would think it would be a dog....far from it...lovely torque everywhere.
    Really no need to rev over 6500 ...just short shift and ride a big wave of torque.
    If you want it to really go shift her at 8500...drops off after that to redline.
    A real sleeper...and as easy as a bicycle to ride.
  5. 2handedSpey

    2handedSpey bunned

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    2009 KLR650

    Kawi says 32 HP...

    Lol...

    Bench Racing numbers.

    I bet if I rolled that chubby pug onto a dyno, the real rear whel power would more than likely be 25-27 HP ish.

    But, it's perfect for the mpg, frame, brakes etc. I see it as the same thought of a Jeep Wrangler. Just enough HP to get the job one. Dudes spending 7-10k dropping in a giant hemi V8:huh. Ummm okay. It's your ride, have fun!
  6. thedrewski86

    thedrewski86 too few miles

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    575 lb Honda cruiser, supposedly 68 hp and 102 Nm (I find that hard to believe). Is it enough? Yeah, but not comfortably. Here's the deal: buy a cruiser, bigger = better. Can't afford a chromed out HD Glide like every other biker on the road? Get any other style of bike.

    In other news I know of a mint Honda for sale...:evil
  7. bbagwell

    bbagwell Adventurer

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    My DR650 has enough power to keep me happy. My TW200 could use a few more ponies :D.
  8. thedrewski86

    thedrewski86 too few miles

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    That is sig quote worthy my friend :rofl
  9. occasionaldirt

    occasionaldirt Adventurer

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    A CBR would be just fine with 3 gears, more so than a bike with a shorter rpm range. 1st thru 3rd on a CBR would give access to all the power, near zero shifting on canyon/mountain roads(2nd gear all day 45-100mph), 3rd gear mid-rpm-range 100mph hwy cruising. Top gears on race reps are meant for 150+ on a track, doesn`t mean they don't make a fine touring bike. In my real world, i shift much more often on my big twin then on my 600 due to bumping the limiter every 30mph, but then i don't ride in 6th gear at 55 mph... nor do i feel compelled to shift at 5k because that's how i do it on my other bike...

    Riding around the suburbs in 5th gear on your son in-laws 929 would annoy anyone. The real issue is your inability to adjust technique. Try covering the tach and using lower gears than you understand to be normal, CBR is perfectly composed at 8k (no diff than 2k on your bike), wringing the snot out of it? LOL... but, you won't because that's not the point of your arguments... the bike needs to fit your limited world view. Plenty of folks tour on 500cc maxi-scooters, we are fortunate to have so many choices, justifying yours is not really the point. Don't see anyone attempting to invalidate your preference, only you suggesting that your preference is more 'right' than anyone else's coupled with a limited skill set.
  10. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    :scratch The idiotic extrapolation of that argument is that if you never want to go over 100 (who needs to do that on a regular basis) a ZX14 would be fine with only ONE gear.
    I have come across more than a few 600 sportbike owners who NEVER use the upper 1/2 of the rpm range. They are missing out on the 60% of HP they are not capable of using anyway - So what! That doesn't change why the designers gave their bikes six gears in the first place.
  11. Tuna Helper

    Tuna Helper Rawrr!

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    I have a zx14, and I hardly ever use more than 5000 rpm. I just dont care for the motor screaming away beneath me.


    Yes, it has a fuck-ton f power, more than I need. That much power makes it hard to ride smoothly through the twistys. On a recent ride through the Dragon and other just as fun roads in the area I found it hard to go from coast to throttle without lurching the bike forward. I was always afraid of losing traction on the rear tire.
  12. Wraith Rider

    Wraith Rider Banned

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    If you look at the acceleration diagramme of a modern 1000ccm sportsbike you really don't need 4th & 5th gear. 6th is for high speed or an overdrive to save fuel but 4th&5th have only very little more acceleration capabilities over ~140mph where you can't use 3rd anymore - but two more gears bring mass that reduces the over all acceleration.

    @Tuna Helper
    If you have problems with the transition from rolling to throttle, try - as weird as it sounds - a lower gear, so that you allways need to open the throttle a little bit to overcome the inner friction of the engine. In general the probem is not the total available traction but not being smooth enough. Of course that will lower your mileage and the ZX14 is a beast no matter what, but in my experience a very sophisticated one (at least its engine characteristics, not it's build quality).
    Or try to tap the rear brake very lightly when cornering, same effect but added brake pad wear.
  13. rbrsddn

    rbrsddn 3banger

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    2001 Speed Triple. Maybe 110 HP, and 470 full of fuel. More than enough to get in trouble. A great street motor.
  14. anotherguy

    anotherguy Long timer

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    '04 Tuono. 430 wet and 117 HP/69LB-FT. I give up 50HP to other liter bikes but I tend to ride roads where 70MPH is kinda scary so it's no biggie.
  15. NJ-Brett

    NJ-Brett Brett

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    2009 TU 250, 320 pounds, just under 20 hp?, just enough.
    You can ride around and do whatever you like and not get in much trouble, plus, no worries about losing traction or critical throttle control.

    Kind of fun riding balls to the wall all the time.
  16. KX50002

    KX50002 NooB, my ass

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    1997 Suzuki 1200 Bandit
    Claimed dry weight 485 lbs. Claimed stock power 98Hp, I have dyna jet tuned carbs a K&N air filter and Vance & Hines exhaust, with 1 tooth bigger sprocket on the front and 3 teeth smaller on the rear it wheelies violently in first gear, and anytime you are around 6,000 RPM and hit a bump while on the throttle. (I weigh 260 lbs, can't imagine a lighter rider). Cruises at 75-80 like it's still asleep.

    Never had it on a dyno, but as I get older (wiser?) it's WAY too much power to be reasonable, but then I'm not really a reasonable person, I put FMF exhaust on my KX500 because it wasn't ballsy enough!!:evil
  17. corndog67

    corndog67 Banned

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    I couldn't sell my YZ450F, those things just have no resale value. I wasn't going to give it away, either. So I get an offer, my bike plus $1000 for a 2002, GSXR1000 Superbike. Superbike? Actual racebike. Full Yoshimura, 14:1 compression R type cams, total race engine, Ohlins, Marchesine Magnesiums, all the good stuff, but it was an old race bike. Extra frames, bodywork, subframes, just all kinds of stuff. 185 hp at the wheel, 375 lbs.

    So I did it. New slicks, too. So I go down the road past my house, maybe coming past 100 in third gear and punch it, when it hit 6000rpm, it lit the tire up, then wheelied, at over 100 mph. Fastest thing I've ever ridden, before or since. And it was mine. So I parted it out and made some money. I've still got a set of 16.5 Marchesini Mags if anyone has a Suzook they need them for, cheap.
  18. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    2012 KTM 690R Enduro; 66hp; 310lbs = The fastest production thumper on the planet. How fast? Just as quick as my KTM 950 twin up to about 90mph. It will power wheely the first 4 gears.

    It's really too much for me so I have the ECU set to the soft map. I also have a Yam wr250r enduro. 28hp and 298 lbs. Very friendly power once you get used to revving it. Probably another 10hp would make it perfect.
  19. Mgbgt89

    Mgbgt89 Long timer

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    KTM 625 SMC. It's bone stock and still corked up, supposedly its around 34 horsepower, and about 320 pounds. Coming from a cb650, cb350F, and then a CB200, It flat moves with my skinny ass on it.

    Uncorked they're supposed to be 52. :evil Once i get used to the bike as it is now, I'll open it up.
  20. malott442

    malott442 Loud, yet refreshing

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    2008 1125R with ECU, air filter, exhaust. 370lbs, 135rwhp. It is dog slow.