Hotrodding the GS - Pre-Order Sale!

Discussion in 'Vendors' started by Poolside, Mar 12, 2011.

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  1. johnjen

    johnjen I've Been Resigned

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    Mr. COB do you remember in my PM where I told you what to say and even to copy and paste the exact sentence and send it to Poolside?

    If you had sent that simple one sentence, none of us would be discussing this right now.
    I even explained why it was necessary. And if those e-mails I saw were the full exchange, you didn't actually state that you accepted the terms and conditions.

    And I can see from your position where you believe you accepted them, but the actual words used didn't SAY that. Your words implied, and pointed at, and seemed to say what you imply, but you never said, and this is the clincher,
    I AGREE TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF SALE.

    This, as was pointed out in a previous post, is a consequence of bypassing the paypal ordering process.

    I'm sorry for the confusion or misunderstanding or whatever you want to call it, but implying agreement and stating it in writing are NOT the same thing, no matter how much you want to believe them to be the same.

    JJ
  2. pigfixer

    pigfixer Adventurer

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    Mr Cob,
    You made your point, as did JJ.
    Can we now drop this topic and get back to motorcycles please.
  3. deeve

    deeve DumbA$$

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    What are the conditions that were such an issue? Just the part about it being not returnable? or was there more on the paypal section?
  4. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Howling "Mad", Adventurer

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    Howdy JJ,

    I have met you, I have not met poolside, all bullshit aside, take your lawyer hat off and be human, can you in all HONESTY state that in my emails and PM's that I didn't write in words that ANY reasonable person could understand that I accepted the terms of sale? If you can HONESTLY state that I didn't know what I was buying, the terms under which it was sold, and that I had no recourse after the sale, then I'll have misjudged your ability to understand plain English. Like I said, I am NOT a fuckin lawyer, I am an honest man and deal with others as if they are honest, I don't hide behind words or legalities.

    Read my signature, I have been modifying and selling modified Ural clutch disks for close to five years, I have sold them all over the USA, in Canada and a few have even made it to Europe. In all the time I have been doing this I have never had a complaint on the product, I have ASKED that I be paid with a personal check from folks I'll never meet and have never been burned. I don't have any disclaimers, I don't ask people to sign any type of "click-thru".

    I ship the parts as soon as they are ordered, in short I "TRUST" people, I don't fuck with them. The way I look at it if someone writes to me and orders something from me, we have a contract it might not be legal but if a person is worth a shit their word or sense of honor is worth a HELL of a lot more then a piddly sum of money such we are talking about here. My sense of self worth means a whole lot more to me then $72.50 including shipping, if "YOU" or "poolside" gave me their word on something I would take you or him at his word until proven otherwise.

    I fulfilled my end of the contract, poolside reneged on his, as I know you I asked that you intercede on my behalf. John I offer to YOU my sincere apology for having gotten you involved in an affair that was not of your making, that was a mistake on my part and I accept full responsibility for having made it. :deal
  5. dirtybikefrank

    dirtybikefrank Beast wrestler

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    What the hell is going on? Can someone please
    fill me in? I bought the doodad and can't read anymore of the ranting.

    What happened?!
  6. johnjen

    johnjen I've Been Resigned

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    see post 674 and 694.

    JJ
  7. Crazy Canadian

    Crazy Canadian All who wander r not lost

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    Seems there is a lot :dhorse around here today!
  8. Spoke

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    Cob- if this thing works you may buy my accelerator thing that i won't need and i'll take a check for payment, no click through high tech stuff. now get out and ride , you'll feel better and stop being a :baby
  9. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Howling "Mad", Adventurer

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    Howdy Spoke,

    Chances are very good that I ride more then you do on a regular basis and I DID go for a ride today even if it was quite cold and raining. I do hope this thing works for you and then you can sell your accelerator to someone else. As to the :baby thing if you regard calling someone on their shit crying it says much more about you then me. :deal
  10. AndyCap

    AndyCap Mineral Oil Anyone?

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    Wowzers.

    I understand Mr. Cob's view, and sadly, I understand Poolside's as well. I can't say I like that Poolside has to be so uptight about the transaction, but in this day and age, he does. I don't know the particulars of teh PM's and Emails, and quite frankly, I don't want to know. I just know we have two inmates that have come to an in pass.

    So, I would offer this solution if both Poolside and Mr. Cob feel it is agreeable. I can use my paypal account to pay for the part, and then have it shipped to Mr. Cob, and Mr. Cob can send me a check. This way Poolside has the click through he needs to cover his side, and Mr. Cob gets the part he has ordered. Me, I get to know I helped out some fellow inmates, and that makes it worth it for me as well.

    So, Poolside/Mr. Cob? Does that work?
  11. ghostrider1964

    ghostrider1964 Edumacated Red Neck

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    Always does me good to see such appeasement:lol3
  12. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Howling "Mad", Adventurer

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    Howdy AndyCap,

    You Sir are a gentleman indeed and I thank you for your most kind offer to attempt facilitating this mess. :clap

    All I ever wanted was the product, this is agreeable to me on the CONDITION that when it becomes available I will RECEIVE ( after it is paid for ) the second product that will complete this modification. If I can't be guaranteed the second part the first part is of little use to me. :deal

    Poolside, what say you? :ear
  13. Crazy Canadian

    Crazy Canadian All who wander r not lost

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    Might work except Poolside stopped taking orders three weeks ago and seems unwilling to increase the number to be made. Otherwise I'd be ordering one too!
  14. Poolside

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    Yes, that was the whole thing.

    For whatever reason, Cob would not write these words in an email, "I accept the terms."

    Here's a screenshot of the PayPal shopping cart. Nothing hidden, the 'terms' are just what you see there.

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  15. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Howling "Mad", Adventurer

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    Howdy All,

    Here is a direct quote from the last email I sent to Poolside, as he has presented what could be considered "evidence" of his view is it not reasonable that I should be able to present what I wrote to him?

    This is what I wrote, yes after going through this THREE times I was a bit up set, like I said, I speak and write in plain English, I can't understand how what I wrote could be construed in any way other then accepting the terms of sale. This is the quote.


    Jim,

    What the fuck am I supposed to say, I can read and understand your disclaimer. I have three times told you to cash the check and send me the product, what more do you want me to do?

    Dave


    Am "I" the only one who can read this and see that I have read and understand the terms of sale? Is it really that difficult, does one have to have law degree to buy a part on the Internet? I am as this is being written buying a LOT of parts both in the USA and Canada over the Internet to install a hack on the GS, I have not had ANY problems doing so, it strikes me as just a tad strange that this is the ONLY time I have ever had such difficulties in making an Internet purchase.

    Poolside, if you want to get me banned for posting part of an email discussion go for it but I think it fair that both sides of this issue be aired.
  16. Poolside

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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>No that's ok, I think you suffer enough already. You declined to agree to the terms, and I returned your check. Let's be done with this now. I'd like to get back to talking about more good products that you're not going to get.
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  17. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Howling "Mad", Adventurer

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    Suits me, I think its plain to anyone who can read to see that your handling of this situation can honestly be called anything but business like. You have shown to anyone who has a sense of honor that your word is worthless, I have had my say, and I stand by what I have said. I sincerely hope for the sake of those who you did sell your product too that is a better spokesman for your character then your word is. With that I am through with you and this thread, PROVIDING you also drop it. Keep it up and I will continue to respond in kind.
  18. Poolside

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    It'd be nice if you removed the slander. You know, to get on my good side.

    Edit: :lol3

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  19. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Howling "Mad", Adventurer

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    Your not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you? You want to keep this going, fine with me your just proving my point so please do carry on.
  20. Crazy Canadian

    Crazy Canadian All who wander r not lost

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