Hotrodding the GS

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Poolside, Nov 18, 2010.

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  1. RAL88

    RAL88 Marineboy

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    Definetly works better at -10º. Easily makes it to 100 mph and has more power and doesn't stall when I mistakenly pull away in 2nd gear. Can't wait for the Cool.

    Thanks,
  2. slowoldguy

    slowoldguy Tire Tester

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    Just got home from a short day and half romp around West Texas. 39-50 degrees and "moist". Gee. My pigbike sure ran strong under these conditions with my gofasternugen. I have no clue what the little dude does ......and don't care enough to learn. Just real happy that my bike is stomping on the terra. Really strong pull in sixth from 80...uhhh.... "up". :D Just pulls harder at that rpm than before. No need to downshift. :clap (2007 GS Adventure with @ 40k with a Full Remus and a magic widget)

    If you are on the fence, buy one before ya can't.
  3. grpweld

    grpweld Been here awhile

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    Thats some funny stuff !
  4. Poolside

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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>IICE Air Final Sale report.

    I'm sure you know about the IICE Air Final Sale. But after the Final Sale ends, then what happens?

    Here's the deal. As soon as the sale ends, we'll build them out and ship them.

    Nothing but building and shipping IICE Air Final Sale orders.

    Work on the IICE Cool will not begin until all the IICE Air Final Sale orders are shipped!

    This is the last chance to get an IICE Air before we start getting the IICE Cool ready for production.
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  5. Poolside

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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>Assembly report.

    Ok, this batch was supposed to go out on Monday. But, with being at the Motorcycle Show talking with vendors, and visiting with friends, I didn't get squat done this weekend. Also, today, Monday, and Tuesday, I'm doing some roof repair.

    So, the new ship date is Wednesday.
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  6. heetseeker

    heetseeker Hopelessly addicted

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    Poolside,

    I'll take one if it's not too late...:D

    Let me know and i'll Paypal you the $$ right away.
  7. johnjen

    johnjen I've Been Resigned

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  8. Poolside

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    <BR>OK. Did everyone order an IICE Air that wants one?

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  9. Poolside

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    <BR>Thanks for your recent orders everyone! We appreciate it.

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  10. johnjen

    johnjen I've Been Resigned

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    And while wearing my MARKETING Hat… :D

    The IICE Air makes a terrific stocking stuffer for that oh so deserving motohead in all of us (especially if you wind up giving it to yourself :thumb). :lol3

    Besides it'll be that one truly useful gift of the season and WAY better than the usual tie or pair of socks… :rofl

    JJ :evil
  11. roger 04 rt

    roger 04 rt Long timer

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    This is a fantastic (and long) thread. Poolside and JJ have done a lot of good, interesting stuff. I'm doing some research of my own but not planning to build or sell anything. I buy into the Open Loop performance of IICE Air but already have a BoosterPlug, maybe I'll upgrade when I learn more about IICE Cool.

    In the meantime, my project has collected a lot of Open/Closed Loop and Cut-Off data. After seeing this chart, http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14632057&postcount=146, I thought some of my data might be relevant.

    If you look at the charts and info here, O2 Project near the bottom of the page (and elsewhere in the thread), you can see that there are times during acceleration when my '04 RT is Closed Loop. Also, the fuel cuts off to zero quite often on deceleration.

    RB
  12. Andrew

    Andrew Optimus Primer Super Moderator

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    The images in that bmwmoa thread aren't shown to non-members. Can you post them here, or in a new thread?
  13. roger 04 rt

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    Forgot that, will do.
  14. Wallowa

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    Roger,

    I also have a Booster Plug installed in my GSA. But remember to use the IICE Cool you must have the IICE installed. The time to purchase and the manufacturing of the IICE is about at an end. As I understand it the Cool is not a stand-alone device.

    I have ordered a IICE to replace my Booster Plug mostly because the IICE gives me options and to allow me to purchase and use the Cool when it becomes available. Yes the BP has worked, but I anticipate that the IICE and Cool will future improve engine management. I am not a "gadget for gadget sake" person but need all the help I can get for smooth off road throttle control and riding at slow speeds. Since I ride alone and only off road, when I go "bang" it can be serious.:brow

    Hey, I could be wrong!:wink:
  15. slowoldguy

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    Nope, Phil. I think you got it spot on. I have been thinking about buying two as stocking stuffers for "slow to pull the trigger" friends for that very reason.
  16. Poolside

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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>Assembly and Final Sale report.

    Some of you have noticed that the 'Add to Cart' button is still working. Two people made purchases today. Here's the deal on that. I'm sick right now and I'm taking a couple days, so I'm leaving the 'Order Desk' open.

    For anyone who's interested, last night I woke up with a close to 103 fever and a couple of swollen and painful lymph nodes behind my left ear and back of my head. This morning the fever was down a bit and I go to the doctor today and he says, "Hey, you have swollen lymph nodes and a fever." We have a good laugh over that one. I tell him I ate some harvested mushrooms at dinner the day before and of course he says "Maybe it was the mushrooms?", with another good laugh. I gotta tell you, these guys are worth every penny.

    The doctor says, "If it keeps improving just forget about it, and I'll see you again in another 12 years." It's good to know that it was a random infection of some sort. I'm feeling pretty good now but I'm going to take another day. And then I still have some roof maintenance to finish. Give that, and since I'm not doing anything IICE Air related just now, let's say the order desk will remain open till Friday.
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    Rest up -you've deserved it.

    Then again, maybe you need an IICE Cool to help with that fever.......:lol3
  18. Poolside

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    :D Heh heh, thanks!


    Note: For anyone who'd like to know, the Final Sale orders are at 111.

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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>Hey there Roger, thanks for chiming in, and we appreciate the kudos.

    All public discussion regarding drivability and performance is welcome here. I read your posts on the MOA site, and wish I could see the images. I'm sure many here would as well. I understand you are planning to start a thread on the topic, when you do please post a link here. I'm sure there will be a good amount of information crossover.

    Edit: Here is Roger's thread http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=749080

    What Roger is doing is fitting wide band O2 sensors (aka: Wideband Exhaust Gas Oxygen or WEGO for short) in place of the narrow band Original Equipment O2 sensors (aka: Exhaust Gas Oxygen or EGO for short).

    The WEGO sensor that Roger is using has an electronic controller to convert the sensor output to a useable output for aftermarket ECUs. The WEGO sensor output cannot be directly connected to the stock ECU because the output voltage of the wideband sensor is very different than the narrow band output voltage. However the control electronics for the WEGO sensor have what's called a 'virtual narrow band' output available.

    The 'virtual narrow band' output is just like it sounds. The WEGO controller takes the wideband output and converts it to a narrow band output. Call it a 'reproduction' of the usual narrow band EGO output voltage. This virtual narrow band output can be directly connected to the stock ECU.

    Roger's observation of various operational ranges where the ECU operates in 'closed loop' is accurate. For those of you that have been following along in this thread, generally speaking the ECU goes into closed loop during both Transient Throttle movements, and during Acceleration. So far we've been describing the border between open loop and closed loop as a sort of clearly-defined and always-true state change. A state change from closed loop to open loop based solely on acceleration, any acceleration.

    Here comes some added complexity. Acceleration comes in two flavors, Steady State Acceleration, and we'll call it Varying Acceleration. If the ECU has enough processing power, then Steady State Acceleration can sometimes be in closed loop. It all depends on the objective the designer is going for.

    An O2 sensor device is on our list of future IICE products. When that time came we would have had a big discussion of open loop vs. closed loop ECU operation. Maybe we'll get into it a little now.
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  20. Happy Wanderer

    Happy Wanderer Day Dreaming.. .

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    Been following this IIce Air thread with great interest. Roger's thread over on the MOA site is also really interesting. I was very surprised to see the amount of time the ECU spends in closed loop under throttle and load conditions where I would not expect it to be doing so. As Poolside says, this is a lot more complicated than it appears. Like Roger, I am using a Booster Plug right now which creates a -20 C offset in air temp and while it does help with surging somewhat, it does not eliminate it by any means.

    There's been a lot of great comments and reports about improved throttle response, acceleration and also better idle with the IIce Air. On my 1100 RT I don't have much issue with any of these facets of performance but I do have very noticeable surging issues, especially at steady throttle and lower RPM. Typical for these bikes.

    Has anyone with an 1100 noticed any improvement specifically with surging with the IIce Air installed so far?
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