Hotrodding the GS

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Poolside, Nov 18, 2010.

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  1. slowoldguy

    slowoldguy Tire Tester

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    See? Told ya'll I had him figured out.

    He so smaht. We is wrong. We all bow down now. You super-dreamy re-map guy. We all love you long time and wish we were you, Mr. Power Commander man.

    There. That should do it. I admitted we were wrong and he was right. That's all he wanted so, why not? It don't cost nothing and it gives him a thrill.

    Now you can move along. Your work is done. I'm sure there's another bridge just down the road for ya. ;)

    Bring me da Cool!!!!
  2. Poolside

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    <BR>Ok, everybody calm down. :lol3


    Good idea. But how do you know good data from bad?

    If you want to try an IICE Air on your Triumph, set to the -10°C setting, I wouldn't be opposed to it.


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  3. TuefelHunden

    TuefelHunden Been here awhile

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    I bow down to your collective omnipotence. Once you get over being pissed, if you can, do some homework on FI and ECU's.
  4. Poolside

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    Don't be silly, there was nothing in your posts to even count-to-10 about. But other than that, I agree. Many folks are learning a lot right here.

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  5. Poolside

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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>Well heck, JP, thank you. (It's amazing what you can get people to say if you ply them with whiskey and hookers. :freaky)

    All kidding aside, there's quite a bit of extra horsepower on tap. That's what makes for the stronger acceleration and lighter front wheel. And the added benefit is the power is available where you live, at part throttle and middle RPMs.
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  6. Plane Dr

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    Wading back in as a partial skeptic... On my Z1000 I went with a power comander. I wanted the lean condition corrected. I ran the "stock-stock" map. My bike wasn't stock. However it was sufficient to enrich the mixture across the poor throttle range. Was there more power? maybe.

    The power argument and butt dyno's are largely irrelevantthe same bike same dyno is what matters for power. I don't care that wasn't my end goal. The throttle feel is better so I'm good.

    On the butt dyno I actually had a knowledgeable guy ride my Z1000 back to back with his CBR 600. He "felt " the CBR was more powerful. I had a torque curve taht was quite flat (for an I4) so there was no rush. So less power I guess. Peak was about the same.

    A common DRZ fix is an enlarged airbox and a richer jet. It makes a world of difference for 5 dollars and 20 minutes. Snake oil to the non believers.

    When I started looking at improvements for the BMW I gravitated that way. I read up on all the gizmos and really didn't care for what I saw. The temp offset seemed to arbritrary. Then as I followed this thread saw both the effort the Gent's put in and the fact is was adjustable I felt it was more appropriate than say the BP.

    Once installed I noticed a distinct improvement in throttle feel. Just what I wanted.

    Poolside's fix did what it was advertised to, power up or down be damned.

    But where are my hooker's and whiskey he seems to be holding out.... :deal
  7. Treadless

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    Solutions to what?

    You never stated what your goal was.

    Solution to get max power out of the machine for racing?

    Solution to smooth out power delivery for a more enjoyable ride in the real world?

    The solution you came up with was to jump in like an :asshat and ruin the chance to contribute something to this thread... because depending on your goal you do have a point. But unlike Oblio your presentation was poor.






    So Poolside, I unlike Hacky have a phobia about extra wiring and in my excitement to excise my GS of the evil Wunderdick wiring harness I ripped it out without thinking of the possibility of using both units together. What is your take on using the IICE and the Wunderdick controller together? Yes I realize remapping the unit would likely be necessary. More testing, more dyno, more money more more. Pandora You Bitch!

    The IICE Air does a nice job of smoothing out low rpm on/off throttle but I miss the power up in the upper rpm range. And yes I play up there a fair bit. And with 97k on it now I just can't see changing my riding style just because it's got some gray on it's temples. :wink:
  8. johnjen

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    Dude if you bothered to do your homework you'd have already found out that Poolside designs electronic systems, including FI.

    Like I said, contempt prior to investigation.

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  9. ghostrider1964

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    Is that a Troll on the wind:patch...
  10. johnjen

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    Or a Troll on the hook?

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    Hey Poolside - why don't you post up a video of you building a couple of these for us to gawk at:norton
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    <BR>I'm thinking we might need time-lapse photography.

















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  15. JWarner

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    I'm sure you've got enough work already PS, but maybe a recent recipient might want to make an install video for those of us still on the edge of our seats.
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    So would that be a video looking at the sky as the GS wheelies its way down the block, or a video watching as the wires get plugged and played?

    Curious minds and all…:rofl

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  17. Wallowa

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    Below is a post from Poolside...I would think that any instructions might need to be tailored to a specific year model, but then I am clueless on the differences between models. I have not installed mine yet, but do not expect many options for the installation...you know, like what gets plugged into what.

    From PS:

    "There will be photo instructions, and probably video at some point. I'm designing them to be as easy to install as possible." 12-14-2010

  18. JWarner

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  19. ghostrider1964

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    Too many variants it works on, would have to video several models...I know the 1200s...IT is very easy...Just remove left side panels to expose left side of air box. Unplug the plug to the air box and plug the IICE AIR in line and then plug the IICE AIR to the air box....put the AIR where ever you want it.I mounted mine low where I can reach it without taking the seat off:deal
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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>There are some sparse photo instructions. To find them check the links in the first post of this thread. And to be fair, to call them sparse may be overreaching. :D

    My comment in Wallowa's quote about photo instructions was back when it still wasn't decided if the IICE Air was going to be a simple plug-in, or not. A simple plug-in doesn't require much in the way of instructions. Just as a household extension cord doesn't come with instructions. No one needs instructions for an extension cord do they?

    The upcoming IICE Cool is only a little less simple to install, and has a couple of more installation steps. And let me clarify that a little. The IICE Cool has gone through many 'design reviews' say. JJ and I discuss the merits of a more complex installation and we usually come to the conclusion that simpler is better.

    Take the IICE Air for example. It could have had a remote switch, or even an embedded microcontroller. But both of those 'versions' require more installation. And the thing is, the additional complexity does not provide any practical benefit. I mean, the IICE Air does need to have a temperature setting so that will work with the upcoming IICE Cool.

    "But I want to be able to switch it while I'm riding!" It is true that if the IICE Air had a 4-position switch you could switch it while you're riding. You could even switch it on and off and see the performance difference that the IICE Air makes. But you'll find that out the first time you take a ride.
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