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Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Poolside, Nov 18, 2010.
done, thats why it is off right now.
<table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>Hey mouthfulloflake. JJ mentioned this earlier, but I just want to confirm it. Let's get that IICE Air over here so I can take a look at it. You know, give it the full spectral analysis as it were, and put it through its paces. (Which is a bit of an exaggeration but you get the idea. ) And with that verification and spit polish I'll send it right back to you in time for the next step in your evaluation.
I dont recall JJ offering that?
no surprise I missed though, um, Ive had a few offers to buy it ( at less than street value) and ive had even more offers to test it.
I think Ill try it on some local bikes first, given the simplicity of the design, manufacturing, and engineering involved, I figure there is very little to be defective right?
but if you wish Ill send it back too, im certainly not trying to be a thorn in your side.
have you had any defective units thus far?
<table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>Every device gets tested at two points in the build process. Nothing defective thus far here, and no failures in the field. I've sent you a PM so we can arrange the shipping. I would like to see what the heck is going on, if anything.
Hey, have you tried disconnecting the intake air temp sensor? See how the bike rides with the air temp sensor disconnected.
I'm assuming you are not the original owner. If that's the case, there is the possibility that the Motronic ECU on your bike has an aftermarket EPROM installed.
<table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>Mouthfulloflake, I would like to see what the heck might be going on, if anything. So far this has been over a month of one unrelated issue after the other. Check your PMs and we'll arrange the shipping.
After that functional verification, I'll send it right back to you in time for the next step in your planned evaluation process.
4:15am... Dawn Patrol
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" width="650"><tr><td>This was the view early today. These Airs are about ready to get their thermistor coating, just as soon as I finish my orange so I don't get scurvy. The epoxy used for this process is filled with a high ratio of Calcium Carbonate powder. The infusion of the mineral powder turns the otherwise low-viscosity liquid into a thixotropic gel. The paste-like gel clings to surfaces of the three thermistors in the IICE Air, and cures to a hard waterproof shell.
A side benefit is that the mineral filler allows the epoxy to cure faster, so these will be ready for final test tonight.
<table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>I own an 1150 myself, and I wanted the same things!
You already know that 10mph is about the lowest speed possible in first gear. 10mph is just about the standard idle speed in first. The solution is to reduce the idle speed. The motor on my bike is set to idle at 850rpm. That is pretty slow, and mostly works in Los Angeles rush hour traffic. To go slower than the 850rpm idle speed, it's possible to drag the brake a little.
Re throttle hesitation, that is primarily a function of throttle tip-in response. The Air primarily improves open loop acceleration, and partially improves throttle tip-in response.
The Cool primarily improves throttle tip-in response. One of the secondary functions of the Cool is that it improves idle.
The primary function of the Smooth is also related to the above, but differently. We'll be getting into that soon enough.
I know what you mean about the bike running worse the hotter it gets outside. While adjusting the response of the Motronic ECU, that 'cool running' you mentioned was sort of a performance target in the back of my mind.
PS...you have PM's. Thanks for a reply to a couple of questions.
12:00am... Jim's Midnight Auto
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" width="650"><tr><td>Per usual, everything passed final test aok. And I'm sure you can see what's happening here.
Lights out. I am skipping reveille this morning I tell you what.
sent you a PM regarding shipping to the R1200GS homeland....
I know this is the last batch
It looks like you've had a successful run of Airs. Where will the Cool connect and what signal will it modify? When will you be delivering it. I'd love to data log it. Learned how to run my GS-911 in dyno-sim mode.
<table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>Yes, the IICE Air works with every BMW fuel-injected bike, including your F650.
The IICE Air is adjustable. It needs to be adjustable to work with our upcoming products. The IICE Cool and IICE Smooth each adjust the fueling in different parts of the ECU operational range. For the Air to work properly with those fueling changes it must be adjustable.
A partial yes to your second question. According to the various competitive products advertising, they each make some type of change to how the ECU reads the air temperature. I have tested a couple of them, and I even have some x-rays, and I have no reason to doubt that they do change the air temperature input.
I am familiar with the various ways that can be used to adjust the air temperature input, but I do not know the exact method each product employs. But what I can tell you is that after JJ and I started this thread, each of the product websites reduced the extent of their exaggerated or impossible claims. One by one the product descriptions were brought more into line with the content of this thread as it developed.
The first post of this thread contains a few links to some additional commentary on these subjects.
I think this should cover it.
Alright! I'll be looking for it, although my 1100 GS is split in half right now getting a VW clutch plate.
Instead of ground washers, I made curved oblong plates that have the pin hole and the two 7mm bolt holes in them.
Right now (Well, earlier today) I am filing them to final shape.
I can't wait to see how this runs with the thingy (I can't remember the real name it's been sooooo long.)
compared to the Techlusion unit it had on it.
Thanks Poolside, you're doing a cool thing here.
This may have been covered and I missed it. Why do I not see the -10,20,and 30 degree offset when looking at the realtime readings with a gs911? The bike sat overnight. Both cylinder head,engine and intake(no change setting) temps were within a few degrees. When I changed the air settings it showed +9,+1 and -6. The bike only runs better with the -30 seting in use. I have done the same test with 2 IICE Air's. So its not just a defective unit.
Ok troll, move along now. Thanks for stopping by.
not trolling pm sent
Methinks that is a valid question. The GS 911 should show 0 and the 3 offsets as set by the jumper.
And it does.
Long story short... I had a 2007 GSA with a Remus exhaust and K&N style filter, and had installed a Techlusion. I had the lean pops sorted and it ran great. I sold the bike to a fellow inmate... Fast forward 3 years. I bought the bike back and the Techlusion is disconnected, the bike pops like crazy on decel so I hook the techlusion back up and it is not functioning.
My thoughts here... Does your system allow any adjustments for adding fuel (making it richer) to compensate for the increased airflow? Do you feel going with your setup will take care of my issues, or should I send the techlusion device back for service?
I tried reading through some of the threads, but was unable to find exactly this issue with a direct answer.