Hotrodding the GS

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Poolside, Nov 18, 2010.

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  1. KCDakar

    KCDakar What are we waiting for?

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    Well BMWzenrider, I am no Bueller, but I would like to basically just post up what I wrote to you, here so that others who might want to know more about how having the IICE Air on a 1150GS DMC sidecar performs.

    This starts with the question on what has been my experience with the IICE Air on my Hack. Here is my altered answer made for better public consumption:

    To tell the truth I had a 37:11 FD gear swap and a sintered clutch put in at the same time as the IICE Air. So some of the bang I feel is the ability to start on a steep hill with a full load and just crawl up the hill if I want. I can't tell you how good that feels!:evil I just love the 37:11 on my 6 speed transmission. I can still do 90 with a full load.:D

    I can tell you that it starts really well now. Every time. I have only killed it when it is was a cold start about 2 times and I attribute that to not having the new sintered clutch bedded in yet. :deal It used to be that when it died cold, that I couldn't start it right back up with out it flooding a bit. Now I can get it started right up. My GS is a cold starting bike and now, for whatever reason, it starts and idles great. Over 117,000 sMiles and counting. (not all with the hack though)

    With low RPM and a constant (as my hand can be) throttle, it's smoother now than before. I can feel a smoothness in the acceleration that was not there before. It feels stronger maybe? And I am not talking about the FD gears, I'm talking about when I make little changes in the throttle, I can feel it as a smoother transition. 1st gear and just idling along is now fun! :wings I unplugged it this last weekend and it surged when I rode the same way on the same road at the same speed. If I had been riding it as I normaly do, (Hard as hell)I didn't really have a surging issue per se, but under low rpm and a higher gear than I should have been in, I could feel a slight surging. It never bothered me until I got the Hack installed. Is it the extra weight? More friction with the car tire conversion? I don't know. And to tell the truth, I don't really care. :wink: It runs and performs better than stock and that is what is important to me.

    A blind man could hook it up. Heck, I have a TBI and CRPS and on Morphine 24/7 and I even figured it out. :lol3 It's crazy how flipping easy this mod is for our bikes/hacks.

    I used to race, and I am very good at throttle control. I know how to be smooth AND fast. And I think because of that I can feel the subtle changes that a lot of people I know don't. If a person was a bit jerky with the throttle they might not get as much of the feeling, but I feel that it would still be doing what it is supposed to be doing. And as each module comes out, I think we will start to see how it all works together, better.

    Is this something that will blow your socks off? Nope, not going to happen. If you are looking for some subtle changes, like maybe better starting, less or smoother surging issues and/or smoother as you roll on the throttle. Well then, take the leap. More things are coming down the pike and I for one hope to be able to see them all come to life. If not, then I hope the next person who gets my rig will understand what it is and gets to enjoy it as much as I did. I guess what I am trying to say is that, this is just the start. Though this can be used as a stand alone part, the parts coming after will make it all work even better. I vote get one if you haven't, there will always be a buyer for it if you don't like it.

    I sound like a salesmen for Poolside! LOL I'm not in anyway. I am just a satisfied customer.:thumb

    I am glad you got 2 of them BMWzenrider. I personally don't think you will be disappointed. :freaky
  2. KCDakar

    KCDakar What are we waiting for?

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    I think I just got wet!....:tb

    I'll go get cleaned up and come back and ask my question later. :shog
  3. wrysingfeenix

    wrysingfeenix Dust off those ashes

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    That "got wet" comment sure calmed things down, eh?

    Which begs the question...is KCDakar a guy or a gal?

    :wink::wink: :lol3:lol3:lol3
  4. tmgs

    tmgs ...Trailers are for Boats

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    thank you, and yes I agree on the dyno, but if someone knows how to use one for tuning and not just flat out max hp gains/readings, you could see real results, we used dnos for performance tuing , and they can be very useful at various rpm ranges under load and not just to see what the max HP is
  5. Boxerwrench

    Boxerwrench Been here awhile

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    been away from the forums fer awhile.
    Is the next piece of the air/cool set ready for orders.
    If so, where to get in line?:ear:D
  6. STUFF2C

    STUFF2C We Ain't Left Yet!!

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    Orederd one a few days ago...
  7. JRWooden

    JRWooden Long timer

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    I did not realize there were actual thermistor involved...
    I had been "assuming" (... yes I know... ) that you were applying an offset to the voltage curve of the existing thermistor. Since the IICE does have "real" thermistors in it ... would it not behoove users to place the IICE such that there was some airflow around the device?

    Thanks!
  8. johnjen

    johnjen I've Been Resigned

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    From post #1

    Does the location of the sensor make a difference?
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15438749

    Here's what BoosterPlug says about sensor location:
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=18

    More on sensor location:
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15452060
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15453444


    JJ
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  10. Wallowa

    Wallowa Long timer

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    PS and JJ,
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    What is the best WAG when the Cool and the Smooth will be offered? Even a year will do. I know, I know this question has been a bane of your existence for months if not years..<?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 stroked="f" filled="f" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" o:preferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"> <v:stroke joinstyle="miter"></v:stroke><v:formulas><v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"></v:f></v:formulas><v:path o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"></v:path><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shapetype><v:shape style="WIDTH: 11.25pt; HEIGHT: 11.25pt; VISIBILITY: visible; mso-wrap-style: square" id=Picture_x0020_1 type="#_x0000_t75" alt="0" o:spid="_x0000_i1026"><v:imagedata o:title="0" src="file:///C:\Users\Phillip\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape>But after a few Bowmores I gotta ask!

    In the mean time I will ride the shit out of my bike and enjoy every second...life is good.

    You guys have got to get up here to NE Oregon and shed the tendrils...as we say up here, you are welcome at our campfire.. it may not be heaven but you can see it from here...

    Now where is my glass....................................Bothy Band calls.
  11. mouthfulloflake

    mouthfulloflake Not afraid

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    I wondered the same thing about where you mount it, but after looking at the build process, they are so potted, that unless you put it in a freezer, or a hot oven , it wont see ambient temp quickly enough to make a difference, right?

    how about this... will the ICe air thingy react differently if its been in my freezer for a few hours?
  12. johnjen

    johnjen I've Been Resigned

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    For me it would be 'down' as in south and for Poolside it would be 'up' as in north.

    Thanks for the invite.


    JJ
  13. johnjen

    johnjen I've Been Resigned

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    Why would you want to put it in the freezer?

    And perchance if you actually did so, the potted assembly (being colder than ambient) would influence the thermistors until it all warmed up to ambient.

    But the thermistors (being above the mass of the potting compound) react to ambient air temps VERY fast, just like the stock temp sensor does.

    JJ
  14. mouthfulloflake

    mouthfulloflake Not afraid

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    I would put in the freezer to try and see if it made a difference in the way the bike ran. ( since it has not done so in ambient temps)

    hmmm, above the mass of the potting compound... ok.

    I have some new ideas when I get my gizmo back


    :D


  15. Wallowa

    Wallowa Long timer

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    Guys..we have a complete spare room...get your butts up here! Off road is umlimited and pavement [Aghhhhhrrr] is awesome...offer is alway open...!:wink:
  16. KCDakar

    KCDakar What are we waiting for?

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    People ask me this all the time...:freaky
  17. Poolside

    Poolside Syndicated

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    Yes. They respond very quickly to temperature changes.
    You can breathe on them and the temp change will register.

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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>Regarding getting your IICE Air back, I have this idea and I want to see if it's ok with you.

    For those of you who don't know, Mouthfulloflake was having some issues with his bike. And to eliminate the possible influence of a defective product I got it back from him to test it out.

    Here's what I found. The Air tests out just fine, and is working properly. There is a slight trace of dielectric grease on the electrical contacts. I remember someone mentioning that they applied some dielectric grease to the contacts, I don't remember if that was you. Either way, I did not observe any effect from the slight residual contamination.

    The dielectric grease is green in color and I initially thought it was copper oxide on the electrical contacts. There is very little on there. Looking at it under high magnification showed it was a grease compound of some sort. I rubbed a tiny speck of a sample between my fingers and it feels like a silicone not petroleum based product. Like I said though, The Air passed the tests, and works right on the bike.

    So here's what I want to try. I would like to send your IICE Air up to JJ for another bike test input, and he'll forward it to you. What do you think, would that be ok? I would send it out tomorrow to Seattle.
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  19. mouthfulloflake

    mouthfulloflake Not afraid

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    That is fine with me PS, just give me an idea on the time frame.

    It wasnt me that put anything on those connectors BTW.

    I bought the bike used a few years ago, lord only knows what it went through before that.

    you mentioned at one time my bike possibly having an aftermarket eprom in the morotronic box.

    would I still have lean surge issues with the rose colored plug in that scenario?

    also, you asked me to unplug the IAT and run it and see what happens, I have yet to do that, but I will certainly try that if it wont harm anything else on the bike?
  20. Roll-sen

    Roll-sen Hater be Hatin'

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    You might try removing the rose cat plug completely. I got drastically different results from the IICE Air (for the better) when used without the Steptoe jumper.
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