Hotrodding the GS

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Poolside, Nov 18, 2010.

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  1. Poolside

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    You fellas seem to have a certain amount of experience with this. :lol3


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  2. erkmania

    erkmania Last of the red hot left pipers

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    Sorry if this has been addressed elsewhere. I read about the IICE products and want a little more input into how they function. Primarily, is the IICE Air strictly an inline resistor circuit? Second, what does the microprocessor circuitry do for the coolant sensor circuit?

    I looked in the Hotrodding thread and didn't find a sufficient explanation. I certainly don't want proprietary details; I couldn't care less. I just want more info to compare with what I read on the BoosterPlug site. I liked that he explained the nonlinear effect incurred by serial add on resistors to the air sensor circuit. This made me wonder about your product(s).

    I would be happy with links to info I didn't see, yet.

    My bike pings awfully (2011GS) during large angle tip-in (5500 rpm) and about 75% steady throttle at 5500 rpm.

    TIA

    Eric
  3. johnjen

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    See the 1st post of this thread for all those details
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=638412

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    erkmania Last of the red hot left pipers

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    As I tried to explain, I didn't see a thorough enough explanation to my query. I did go through those links and still didn't see one that satisfied my curiosity.

    More succinctly, is the temperature offset of the IICE Air linear across the temperature band? Adding a simple inline resistor does not accomplish this as I've learned. What I understood from the links provided is that the IICE Air can be set to different offsets, i.e.-unaltered, -10, -20 and -30C. I didn't see any discussion about the linearity of the offsets. Perhaps I read/scanned the info too briefly to glean an answer.

    Perhaps I'm just dense. This wouldn't be the first time, after all, since my scalp is now burnt from circling the sun so many times. :norton:rofl
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    I believe marketing department has the right answer...? :D
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    The answer to your question could be both yes and no.
    The IICE-Aire uses thermistors just like the stock air sensor and the output from a thermistor isn't linear to begin with, so that is the no answer.

    But since the IICE-Aire uses thermistors that are 'offset' by -10, -20, and -30 degrees, then the answer is yes they are offset across the temperature band.

    There are no resistors used in the IICE-Aire.

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    Hey there Eric. I got caught up in some assembly work. I'm penciling together a simple and accurate answer that I think will cover what you're asking about.

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    erkmania Last of the red hot left pipers

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    Thank you, sir. That's what I was after. So, if I understand correctly, you have attempted to leave the NTC resistance/temperature graphical trace the same shape, but alter it's relative position by a fixed offset.

    1) Were you successful? 2) This now makes me want to go reread the mounting position link...

    Next week I'll ask about the microprocessor IICE Cool. :y0! Or, is there a preemptive answer in the ready? :D

    Thanks for clearing up the Aire!!!!!! :rofl
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    Andrew Optimus Primer Super Moderator

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    Aire???

    Does Marketing have anything better to do than invent new words for things we already know how to spell? :lol3
  10. Happy Wanderer

    Happy Wanderer Day Dreaming.. .

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    Might be faster to call him "SweetCakes", ask what he wants to hear and call in the bouncers.
    With whimsey of course... :rofl

    Seriously though, looking forward to the reply. This is an interesting question. :ear
  11. johnjen

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    YES!

    And the plural of Aire is Airz :evil

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  12. Poolside

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    <table border="0" cellpadding="5" width="650"><tr><td>Hey there Eric. It sounds like maybe a comparison between BoosterPlug and the IICE Air is in order. I agree. Ready?

    There is no comparison. :D That is to say, they are the same thing and there's nothing to compare.

    The same thing that is, except for the IICE Air is adjustable. And the temperature offset needs to be adjustable to work with the upcoming IICE Cool.

    The BoosterPlug, Accelerator, IICE Air, etc., each offset the temperature input in the same way using the same type of components. Beyond the temperature offset, anything fancy that happens to fuel delivery happens inside the ECU, not at the temperature sensor.

    Regarding the linearity question, the product description on the BoosterPlug website centers on linearity. And it makes sense that a product description should focus on relevant performance features. A product's 'claim to fame' as it were.

    The thing is, we didn't see that the claim was particularly noteworthy. I mean, given that the competitive products and the IICE Air each do exactly the same thing, then all the products are equally linear.

    Equal except for adjustability that is. And adjustability is necessary to work with our future products.
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    erkmania Last of the red hot left pipers

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    You're just testing me, right? There seems to be at least one feature to compare, i.e. the position of the sensor. I admire that IICE Aire is more adjustable and appreciate that. The BoosterPlug dude (Jen?), however, extolls the alternate virtue that his non-adjustable sensor can be placed where it is most useful. What say you?

    I ask my many questions with high regard for your posted background. I suspect the complete answer lies in disclosing a little more about how the IICE Aire and the IICE Cool(ant) work in harmony.

    For my part, I have a bike that runs less than ideally and I want some resolution; via the dealer (argh!) or some aftermarket (and, well thought out) devices.

    I may have some faith in our beginnings, but I don't assign the same faith to advertising hyperbole. :deal
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    slipknot Been here awhile

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    Would someone tell me when I get the two items I ordered?
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    johnjen I've Been Resigned

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    The 1st post of this thread has links to additional technical questions and answers.

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=638412


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    That's good to hear. Because the only advertising hyperbole you'll get around here is a creative spelling of Aire. :lol3


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    YES!

    we will need to hear from manufacturing.

    JJ :D
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